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Change Google's Background Color To Save Energy?

i_like_spam writes "Recent commentary at Nature Climate Change describes an on-going debate about the energy savings associated with the background colors used by high-traffic websites such as Google and the NYTimes. A back of the envelope calculation has suggested energy savings of 750 Megawatt hours per year if Google switched their background from white to black. In response, a new version of Google called Blackle was created. However, other calculations by the Wall Street Journal suggest minimal energy savings."

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  1. Not all screens work like that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Unfortunately I'm using a laptop and so in order to see the weak grey text on the black screen I have to crank up my screen's brightness.

    Anyone got a blank bit of envelope so we can do another quick bit of math?

  2. Re:No savings on LCD:s by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In fact don't TFTs use marginally more energy to display black?

  3. LCDs by king-manic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most new monitors are LCDS. LCD's are generally backlit and black is achieved by having all the pixels opaque. So wouldn't black cause a higher power usage? or just break even?

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  4. Re:Black background? by Asmodai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From what I remember reading in some research is that a light grey text on a black background actually produces one of the best readable displays for your eyes.

    Anyway, interesting read: http://www.writer2001.com/colwebcontrast.htm

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  5. Depends on the kind by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TN+Film ones, by far the most common, do. They have to be energised to go black, their no power state is open which is why the pixels fail to white. VA (P-MVA, S-PVA and so on) and IPS (S-IPS and such) don't because their no power state is black and have to be energised to open and thus fail to black.

    Regardless the energy used on the panels isn't much in comparison to the backlight. That's why companies toy with reflective displays (like the old Game Boy Advances). It does really well for battery life when there's not a backlight. That's what sucks the energy.

  6. Re:OLEDs? by tom17 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In a decade or two it will probably all be e-ink based so there will be no difference. Except it would need to be illuminated in the dark.

    Unless they make a hybrid with oled in the dark and e-ink in the light. Then a light background would waste electricity at night and strain your eyes more.

    So have a dark background at night and a light background during the day like reading paper, that's it, web pages that adjust their display depending upon your surroundings.

    Maybe I should have kept that to myself...

  7. Re:silly by pla · · Score: 1, Interesting

    lcds have a backlight, it only covers the light for black, it won't save any energy.

    Wow, the only actual "informative" comment so far, and only at a +4? Sad...

    Playing Devil's Advocate, though, I had an idea - As you point out, Blackle will result in no real savings on LCD monitors; But the decreased light output does raise the temperature of the monitor, thus very slightly increasing your AC demands (in the summer). Okay, that one kinda goes out on a limb. For a more practical problem, while a nice large LCD showing a screen of mostly light colors will effectively illuminate my work area, a black screen does not; as a result, I would need to turn the overhead light on.


    So, Blackle will do more to waste energy than save it.

  8. Re:Slashdotters, take notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How did you get it past the lameness filter?

  9. Re:Black background? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would think a nonbright monochromatic colour (say dark/medium green) on black would be better than grey on black. Then you don't get chromatic aberration even if you have crappy eye wear/lenses.

    BUT, nowadays lots of things are multicoloured anyway and the text is often next to pictures as the article you linked mentions. Having pictures in a mostly black screen might be more "jarring".

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  10. Re:Are we sure this helps? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can save more by doing something like switching of Aero in vista - the power draw of a graphics card under load is far more than an LCD panel.

  11. Re:silly by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some LCDs have dynamic backlights. So if they are displaying something dark they dim the backlight down.

    So when comparing the contrast of LCD displays find out whether contrast ratio are measured the same way.
    e.g. whether it's dynamic or static.

    Whether it's the ratio of the brightest white vs the darkest black AT THE SAME time on about the same part of the screen (some can dim different parts of the screen to try to suit the dark bits of the picture),
    or it's the ratio of the brightest white now vs darkest black 1 minute ago - no adjustments of brightness levels.
    or even the ratio of the brightest white the monitor can display, vs the darkest black the monitor can display when on, with adjustments allowed (really cheating :) ).

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  12. Some real figures by David+Off · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've just tested this on a Sony 15" LCD monitor (M51?).

    Google.com: 18.5 watts
    Blackle.com: 19.5 watts
    Slashdot: 19 watts

    so it would seem that using blackle is using about 5% more power.

  13. Re:Oh, the irony.... by Firehawke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I absolutely hate light backgrounds-- on a CRT, I can see the refresh rate flicker no matter how high I set it and I get a really nasty headache in a hurry. On a LCD, it just hurts my eyes.

    So, at least, for ME.. well, I pretty much have to go with light grey on black.

    That's generally fine on a terminal or X, but forget it on Windows. Too many applications with hard-coded colors that make the assumption of black on white to even consider it; I've tried. It's one of my major pet peeves with Windows.

    Your mileage may vary considerably, however.

  14. Re:Oh, the irony.... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If only they could fix the problem where links show up in blue also, making them just about impossible to see.

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  15. Re:Black background? by Saeger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes - low contrast is the way to go. This is why I love the (g)vim ps_color colorscheme: low-saturation colors on a dark grey background is very easy on the eyes for an extended period.

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  16. Re:Oh, the irony.... by Otto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Black background with bright letters is NOT easier on the eyes. I prefer white background because I dont have burned white lines on my eyes after reading. Oh, you are so, so wrong.

    Firstly, if you're using a CRT all day with a white background, then you have an electron beam lighting up phosphors and thus beaming light straight at your eyes all the time you're looking at it. It's like staring directly at a light bulb if you have to use the PC for any length of time.

    Secondly, if you're using an LCD, it's likely backlit by a very bright bulb. "White" means opening the LCD molecules and letting that light through. So, in fact, you ARE staring at a light bulb when looking at a white LCD screen.

    Computers Screens are not paper. They have light coming from them and hitting your eyes.
    Paper products have light reflected off of them, usually at much lower intensity to start with.

    So reading dark letters on light backgrounds is fine for paper.
    But on a TV Screen, it's *provably* better for your eyes to have dark backgrounds and light lettering. If this hurts your eyes, use wider fonts instead of razor thin lettering.

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  17. Back in black! by MikeFM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem with black backgrounds is that it is considered unprofessional because it is most often used by sites trying to look cool. It remains the best background color because it is way easier on your eyes. I avoid using a white background unless my clients demand it.

    Non-geeks remain horrified when they see how much green text on black I use in my personal desktop choices. It makes a dramatic difference at lowering eye strain though. Luckily, thanks to personal stylesheets, you can recolor just about any website to be a lovely shade of green on black. Or, for the less talented, you can get a vintage 1980's monitor to achieve the same effect.

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