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Microsoft FUD Watch

rs232 writes "Not a week goes by when Microsoft doesn't manufacture a little fear, uncertainty and doubt about something. Yesterday's financial analyst conference was full of it ... Our approach is simple: We look at who said what and why it's FUD. Lots of companies engage in FUD, and we only single out Microsoft because we're Microsoft Watch"

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  1. Microsoft aren't entirely truthful? by HappySmileMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I may have seen a story like that somewhere else on /.

    What we need is more stories comparing Linux and Windows, preferablt by someone getting paid by either Microsoft or a Linux vendor, that's another topic that's hardly ever covered here

  2. Oh wow what a worthless site by Sciros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Taking PR statements and criticizing them for being PR speak is #3 on the "10 dumbest ways to spend your time" list that I made a minute ago. Honestly, when I find a large company with a PR department that *doesn't* make exactly the same sort of statements Microsoft's does, I'm going to try really hard to make it back to this reality from the alternate one I somehow ended up in.

    Hi we are Microsoft Watch and we spread FUD about their FUD, please FUD our FUD by FUDDING some FUD, preferably via FUD.

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    1. Re:Oh wow what a worthless site by MontyApollo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I agree.

      FUD has kinda of lost all meaning if you want to insist that generic PR statements are FUD. They even went into detail to explain why each statement was FUD, and that made them look even more pathetic and clueless.

    2. Re:Oh wow what a worthless site by I'm+Don+Giovanni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "This is just such an unexceptional article, it's surprising that it was linked."

      Not surprising at all. The quality threshold slashdot editors use for any anti-Microsoft article is extremely low. I'm not surprised at all that they accepted this vacuous drivel. In fact, I would've been surpised had they rejected it. Remember, this site uses a borg icon for "Microsoft" topics and a broken window pane icon for "Windows" topics. All other topic category icons are "neutral", devoid of editorial spin. So slashdot doesn't even have any pretense of objectivity when it comes to Microsoft, they proclaim their anti-MS bias with each and every MS and Windows article by using those icons.

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  3. way to go by flynt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Pointing out MS FUD is like taking home the drunkest, ugliest girl in the bar. Yah, you did it, but no one is impressed.

    1. Re:way to go by Himring · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you see her again or was it just a one nighter?

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  4. FUD? by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know abour FUD watch, but many of their press releases are so obfiscated, long winded, badly phrased and rambling I find it difficult to follow. Its like Sir Humphrey Appleby from "Yes Minister", it takes a moment to actually understand what the hell they are talking about.

    Is it just me or do these guys find it impossible to speak english in a plain and simple fashion?

    Actually, I think there is a proper word for this - but for the like of me I cannot remember what it is. :-(

  5. /. FUD Watch by WED+Fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Not a week goes by when /. doesn't manufacture a little fear, uncertainty and doubt about Microsoft...We look at who said what and why it's FUD. Lots of /. submitters engage in FUD, and we only single out /. because we're /. Watch"

    Oh, Sweet Mother of God and Jumping Jesus on a Pogo Stick and Buddha in a Banyan, if there isn't something specific about Microsoft in the news on a Monday morning, some jackass has to manufacture something so there can be a day where MS is mentioned on the /. front page?

    This is as bad as the guy at work that keeps talking about his ex-wife, who he divorced 15 years ago. Let it go! At least wait for Microsoft to actually do something, you know they will.

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    1. Re:/. FUD Watch by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least wait for Microsoft to actually do something, you know they will.

      Do you really? I mean, could just be FUD, you know...

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    2. Re:/. FUD Watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lets have a Microsoft free week. If Microsoft is bashed or put on a pedestal then kill the story.
      You know... at various times I've seen slashdot posts saying exactly the same thing, except about "Apple" or "iPhone" or "Google" or "Linux Desktop Readiness" and a bunch of other "overly hyped" or "repeatedly posted" topics.

      I'm not going to try and disagree with any particular one of those suggestions. I, too, sometimes find that a given topic is being over-hyped. However I think we should keep in mind that if Slashdot were to really stop reporting on all those topics, then we would basically have no content on Slashdot. Moreover, important trends would indeed pass by without Slashdot picking up on them. So, I don't think the answer is to have a "Microsoft-free" week or a "Google-free" week... but rather for Slashdot users to agree to skip stories if they are on a topic that they are currently bored with.

      Yes, it's really that easy. If a certain class of story is "boring" and no one comments on it, then over time such stories will disappear. As long as people keep engaging in lively debate when a particular story comes out, then obviously there is some desire for those stories. And we all have to deal with that fact.
    3. Re:/. FUD Watch by Joe+Snipe · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is as bad as the guy at work that keeps talking about his ex-wife, who he divorced 15 years ago

      I didn't divorce her, she divorced ME! Apparantly you listen as well as she does; one time I had asked her to pick up our daughter at soccer practice, as I had a late meeting and I wouldn't be able to get her, and do you know where she went? Do you? She went to the hairdresser! My daughter is standing out at the soccer field in the rain and she is off gettting her hair tinted. Can you believe it?

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    4. Re:/. FUD Watch by WED+Fan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Joe, give it a rest, just let it go, she's gone, she got the house, the car, and she married her best girlfriend. So, you turned her gay, so what?

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    5. Re:/. FUD Watch by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Lets have a Microsoft free week. If Microsoft is bashed or put on a pedestal then kill the story."

      Actually that'd be nice. We already know MS is evil and that they shouldn't be trusted. So, instead, the watchful eyes should be on Google. Every day they get more and more personal data on everybody. I know we like them now, but should that publicly traded company change its focus...

      It'd be nice to put all this energy into preventing evil from being committed as opposed to bitching about stuff that happened years ago.

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  6. Re:FUD? by MontyApollo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently "FUD" has become the new word for "spin"

  7. Re:FUD? by kebes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is it just me or do these guys find it impossible to speak english in a plain and simple fashion?
    As part of the marketing department for a major corporation on the cutting-edge of deploying Web 2.0 applications, allow me to explain how best to interpret press releases. First, it is important to realize that the press release is not trying to merely inform you about upcoming product releases, it is trying to enlighten you about how you can best capitalize on your financial holdings by investing them in efficient products that deliver value-added productivity to your workforce. Essentially, it is a dialog between the customers and the product engineers. By encouraging this kind of customer engagement, the marketing team is able to create a synergistic expenditure of resources, where the customer needs are balanced against the fiduciary responsibilities of the product-developing company. This allows the company to recoup fixed costs while helping the customer achieve their full potential in a vital, thriving ecosystem of commercial activities.

    I hope that clears things up!
  8. RayOzzie == "more of the same" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ray Ozzie got his job because he worked alongside Dave Cutler at Digital, and he pretty much worships the Microsoft Way. Don't expect change from Ray Ozzie. Ray Ozzie made a career out of re-implementing VAX Notes. Twice so far, and neither successfully. He is overrated, and his image is overhyped. Heck, Bill Gates has better taste and better instincts for what makes good software. Microosft will continue down a path of FUDing and bullying based on their financial and market strength.

    This isn't just how it inevitably is at big companies. Some are different. For example, Jonathan Schwartz got his job because he won't do things the Sun Way. No leader is perfect, and I know lots of people who don't like Schwartz. But Schwartz has backed up his promises by embracing GPL3 and hiring Ian Murdock to change the way Solaris is delivered.

    You can reasonably expect Sun's performance to improve. You can reasonably expect Microsoft to continue to miss the point when trying to compete against Open Source software, and to grow worse, in fact, in the way they use PR, lobbyists, FUD, and financial bully tactics as they fail to find a way to stop alternative business models from chipping away at their lead.

  9. Re:FUD? by st0nes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    many of their press releases are so obfiscated, long winded, badly phrased and rambling I find it difficult to follow.
    I couldn't agree more. Their manuals are no better; here's an example from the C# programming manual:-

    The ButtonProperty value is a string that represents the property name used by the installer to retrieve the value of the button group. This property can be referenced by custom launch conditions to make decisions concerning application installation. For example, if the ButtonProperty is set to Buttons, you create a launch condition that examines the value of the Buttons property. If the first radio button is selected, Buttons takes the value contained in the Button1Value property. Likewise, if the second radio button is selected, Buttons takes the value contained in the Button2Value property. Many of the customizable dialog boxes have similarly configurable properties, which allow you to create a rich and complex installation experience for your users.
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  10. Good Idea by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, since the overall reaction so far has been very negative, I'll chime in and say that I think this is a very good idea.

    FUD is a Bad Thing. It causes people to take decisions based on the wrong information. Short of getting really draconic, we can't very much prevent FUD from being spread. In that light, I feel the best we can do is make sure that the truth is also out there. That way, we can at least hope that people stumble accros the truth, or we can point them at it when we find they have been misled.

    All this has nothing to do with Microsoft, apart from the fact that Microsoft spreads FUD. It would be a good idea to do the same for people and organizations that aren't Microsoft.

    What's also a good idea is to back up any claims you make with references. And spend some time on the visual aspects of our writings. In order to beat the FUD, we not only need to spread the truth, we also need to make it clear that it _is_ the truth. We could do worse than looking trustworthy.

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  11. Unresponsiveness and inaction on /.'s part... by djpretzel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm seeing more people respond negatively lately to what has gradually degenerated into a Microsoft hate-fest in terms of FUD accusations, etc. Rational *nix and Microsoft folk alike seem to acknowledge hypocrisy and finger-pointing, in this case manifesting itself in yet another utterly banal piece of journalistic blood from a stone, a Microsoft Watch "news item". Who-watches-the-watchers comments aside, are /. staff ever going to take steps to reduce this type of flotsam? I'm looking at the upper left corner of my screen right now, and right next to the /. logo is the purported mantra: "News for nerds. Stuff that matters." I consider myself a nerd of sorts, I suppose, but I fail to see how Microsoft issuing generic press releases that would compare equitably to any other company, software or otherwise, "news for me." I also have a hard time grasping how it could possibly "matter", given the frequency and quantity at which it occurs. It's certainly "stuff", no argument there... Bottom line, this seems to be a never-ending cycle that only /. staff can break. If they don't attempt to deliver on the site's motto, I don't know who's going to.

  12. Old models don't work by dwarfking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree with those that think a Microsoft FUD watch page is a bit of a waste of time, I'm still amused by the fact someone is posting it.

    Let us not forget that Microsoft was the master of the FUD campaign. Consider how it used to be. A small, unknown company (Small Software Company) launches a software product that has great potential, but would result in users being semi-locked into that company. Microsoft sees the potential and announces they have their own version about ready to release, knowing full well they don't.

    Average user thinks "Well, I'll just wait for the Microsoft product because I really don't know Small Software Company and whether they'll be around.", which gives Microsoft enough time to throw tons of money on a project to whip up a Version 1.0 to compete.

    This model worked well for Microsoft for a number of years. But now, it isn't Small Software Company that Microsoft is chasing, it's Google and Apple, to name two. These are also well known to Mr. and Mrs. Average User.

    So now, Apple or Google announces a new product, the Average User family starts using it. Microsoft announces their plan to release a competitor and the Average User thinks "a little late to the party".

    The point is, people are getting more choice from companies they trust. So the FUD campaigns are not going to be as effective.

    It is fun to watch, though.