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Apple Sued Over iPhone Non-Replaceable Batteries

UnknowingFool writes "A customer named Jose Trujillo has filed a class-action lawsuit against Apple over the iPhone batteries. According to the suit, Apple did not disclose that the batteries of the iPhone were not user-replaceable. Also the plaintiff alleges that the battery will need to replaced every year. When a battery needs to be replaced, the customer will be without a phone for several days unless the customer pays $29.95 for a loaner phone service. Lastly, the plaintiff alleges that the battery information was difficult to find on Apple's website."

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  1. Stupidest lawsuit ever by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    But let's not even talk about that. Let's not even talk about the horrid spelling, grammar, and general rambling idiocy of the lawsuit. Let's not even consider that these questions have been asked and answered[1] for years with the iPod. Let's actually focus on the actual issues at hand.

    The iPhone doesn't have a user-replaceable battery, but it is replaceable. This is the same as all iPods for the last several years. And no, the iPhone isn't the first of these devices to have a battery that is soldered. Various iPod models have already had soldered batteries. Also, the battery replacement information was available the day the iPhone shipped. So, nothing new here.

    As to the "difficulty" of finding the information on Apple's site:

    Main iPhone support page -> Battery Service: FAQ and iPhone Service: FAQ

    and

    Apple Batteries -> Apple iPhone Batteries

    Wow. Difficult.

    Additionally, asking any Apple retail store, customer service representative, dealer, authorized service provider, etc., will yield a direct and immediate answer about battery replacement.

    It's also utterly and ridiculously false to say that a new battery is required every year. All lithium ion batteries have about the same lifetime. The iPhone's lithium ion battery is no different. Most people will not need, or feel they need, to replace the battery in the lifetime of the phone (i.e., while they own and are using it). The "400 charges" thing isn't any 400 charges; partial charges are just that: partial. This lithium ion battery is no different from any other.

    Also, the battery is covered by the warranty, and if you choose to extend the warranty to two years with the $69 AppleCare Protection Plan for iPhone, the battery is covered under that as well. There are even already third party replacement options. As with iPod, more are sure to come.

    The customer also doesn't have to be without a phone for several days, and claiming that they do because there is a fee for a loaner is ridiculous. Just pretend that the battery replacement costs $29 more, then. You are not without a phone at all: you swap SIMs, sync once with iTunes, and it will literally look, act, feel, and behave like your phone, with your phone number and all of your data. Seeing how Apple has done such programs in the past, the loaner phone will probably be a new service phone or a factory-refurbished phone in a brand new enclosure (so it looks physically brand new). The total price is almost the same as the official iPod battery replacement plan was for years. If you choose to not have a phone in the meantime, that's your choice.

    A recent New York Times article by Joe Nocera sums it up best:

    I'm convinced the answer is that the chief executive, Steven P. Jobs, and Apple's design chief, Jonathan Ive, are design snobs, who care more about form than function. Larry Keeley, the president of the design firm Doblin Inc., wrote me an e-mail message after he'd seen the innards of the iPhone, which several Web sites have now published. The battery, he told me, lacks the normal metal jacket, making it ''thinner and lighter, while also making it more difficult for consumers to handle or dispose of.'' He added: ''This is clear evidence that they are optimizing the INSIDES of the phone to the OUTSIDE form factor that they have designed. It is far more common and much cheaper to design the oth

    1. Re:Stupidest lawsuit ever by InvalidError · · Score: 3, Informative

      With lithium batteries, it is charge depth that makes the largest difference: they last longest when they are not allowed to drop much below 70-80%. Actually, this is true for most rechargeable battery technologies. Overcharging (deficient charger designs) is the other major cause of premature failures - my cheap GE cordless phone pretty much killed its OEM NiCd batteries within a year.

      If my laptop's battery is any indication of typical li-ion batteries, deep-cycling hurts them really bad - I deep-cycled my laptop's battery many more times than I ever meant to due to the power brick's plug slipping out of the laptop's socket on its own and the charge circuit being inhibited unless the plug is fully inserted. After about a year, I was already down to around 70% battery life even though I used my laptop plugged-in (as far as I knew) 99% of the time.

      At the other end of the spectrum, my current cell phone (four years old Nokia 7190) also has a li-ion battery. I plug it in overnight whenever possible and the battery still holds a very decent charge: the phone still indicates a full battery after 3-4 days of (unplugged) standby, seems as good as new.

  2. This is crazy. by scifience · · Score: 3, Informative

    Should I sue Oral-B because my electric toothbrush has a non-user-replaceable rechargeable battery? Honda because my hybrid Accord has a whole array of non-user-replaceable batteries?

    Hard to find the info on the battery replacement? Google "iphone battery" and you'll get this... the official Apple site is the second result, and the first one is from CNET talking about the program.

    This is just another person looking to make some money with a frivolous lawsuit.

  3. One attorney's take... by thefinite · · Score: 4, Informative

    "I think the responsibility of proving (to a judge, at least) that this isn't merely another means of vendor lock-in is rests with Apple. They departed from the standard. The 'why' of the matter is crucial."

    This, actually, is immaterial to the suit. Why Apple sealed the battery inside shouldn't affect the judgment. The issue is whether or not the sealed battery violates some sort of contractual or warranty obligation that Apple has when it sells iPhones. The only way the Plaintiff(s) can get away with a claim like this is to prove that they didn't know about the battery issue before they bought the phone, *and* that it was reasonable for them to understand differently. As a contract claim, they also have to show that the actual battery replacement program is not sufficient based on their previous claims.

    The biggest problem for the Plaintiff(s)--Trujillo and any others that join the class--is that courts generally place a heavy burden on buyers to educate themselves about a good or service before they purchase. I think that it's pretty plain that the information about the battery was widely available. Heck, all he had to do was ask the salesperson.

    Speaking as an attorney, my suspicion is that either a greedy plaintiff or greedy attorney decided to get in the door first on what they saw to be a potentially huge issue. (Getting in the claim first is very important for class action attorneys because once a class action is settled, future claims on the same issue are barred. Being the name plaintiff in a class action is also important because you usually get more than the rest of the class.) I also think that Apple would be crazy to settle this. There will be multiple opportunities for Apple to ask the court to dismiss the suit or rule in their favor in summary judgment, meaning the cost of defending it wouldn't be too egregious. If they settle this, it sends a strong message that they are willing to roll over in the face of weak claims. All kinds of crazy claims would pop up. The plaintiff(s)'s attorneys have to spend time and money pursuing this with the risk that they will get nothing. They won't stay in too long as they come to realize that it's a plainly frivolous claim.

    I really hate it when I see people using the legal system to extort money rather than to get what they actually have a right to under the law.

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    Boom Shanka
  4. Re:Standing? by bdo19 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But what if it's painfully obvious upon looking at the car in the dealer showroom, prior to purchase, that the wheels were welded to the axles, and you chose to buy it anyhow? And what if, once you got the car home and discovered that the wheels were welded to the axles, you had 14 days to return it for a full refund, but you chose to keep it? And what if, in addition, this particular car was a $150,000 sports car for which there was a performance and styling advantage to having the wheels welded to the axles? If this case doesn't get thrown out of court, and if Apple doesn't countersue for court costs due to a frivolous lawsuit, then I will have lost the last thread of faith I have in our court system. Unless there's more to it than meets the eye.