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A Majority of Businesses Will Not Move To Vista

oDDmON oUT writes "An article on the Computerworld site quotes polling results from a potentially-divisive PatchLink survey. The poll shows that the majority of enterprise customers feel there are no compelling security enhancements in Windows Vista, that they have no plans to migrate to it in the near term and that many will 'either stick with the Windows they have, or turn to Linux or Mac OS X'. A majority, 87%, said they would stay with their existing version of Windows. This comes on the heels of a dissenting view of Vista's track record in the area of security at the six month mark, which sparked a heated discussion on numerous forums."

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  1. Slashdot... oh slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps this could be because they are already satisfied with the versions of Windows that they have? At least satisfied enough that they will put off upgrading and spending all that money until a few years from now.

    1. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Everyone I have communicated with who has actually used Vista say that it's great and that they haven't had any problems (including myself. I've been using Vista business for several weeks and haven't had a single problem with drivers, compatibility, or anything else). I doubt businesses are putting this off because they think Vista sucks, but rather because XP works just fine, and it wouldn't make sense to spend money on something that isn't broken.

    2. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shh, stop spoiling the fun.

      It's clear that large corporations are normally the early adopters and it's highly unusual that we didn't see CTOs standing outside Circuit City at midnight waiting for Vista to be released so they could immediately install it on their mission-critical machines.

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    3. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by rwven · · Score: 5, Interesting

      On the contrary, I've spoken to many people who have used and hated Vista and a few who have sworn if off entirely. I started using Vista at the end of February. I dropped it and switched back to XP in the middle of July. The few benefits of using Vista don't come anywhere near the downsides. I liked the new look & some explorer elements, but there were some core elements that just wouldnt work the way I wanted, as well as many large issues with stability. (The computer was built in february with over the top specs.) XP runs very fast and solid as a rock on it.

      I could go into details, but I don't want to become a troll. Suffice to say, I'm happy on XP, wasn't on Vista.

    4. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by Fozzyuw · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I doubt businesses are putting this off because they think Vista sucks, but rather because XP works just fine, and it wouldn't make sense to spend money on something that isn't broken.

      It's a little bit of both actually. My own company sent out a memo stating that no PC is allowed to be purchased with Vista and not to upgrade to IE7. They also cited a government response to this. (which I submitted posted here on /. back in March, but never got picked up that I noticed)

      You see, the thing is NOT that Vista is broken but that other software breaks on Vista. You see the difference? We're not talking about some Video games or Office Suite programs but 3rd party business applications such as accounting software, medical software, etc. Along with IE7, my own companies IT department has been testing IE7 and Vista and have concluded that a lot of our 3rd party software that runs a lot of our day-to-days would not work or crash often on Vista or IE7 (for internet based apps.).

      Given expectation of most people that a computer will 'just work' no matter what setup it is, it's much easier to just ban it altogether until there's a need for it. Also, there's the obvious reasoning for cost, which I due agree that it's the most important reason. If it's not broken, don't fix it.

      Safe to say, they're waiting for for the cost to come down or until MS forces everyone to buy it by a) stopping XP support b) requiring Vista to run programs (such as Halo 2, Shadowrun, etc that they're trying to do with the gaming market... and I absolutely refuse to take part in and I hope Linux and open source can get something to compete with DX10 and supported by companies before that happens so I can happily switch to Linux for gaming.)

      Cheers,
      Fozzy

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    5. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by jafac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm working with a project that's trying to port some software from XP to Vista - Microsoft's driver model changed drastically as most folks are well aware; one of the downsides; devices now report themselves using localized strings, where they did not previously.

      I predict a lot of very expensive work ahead for vendors trying to port any hardware-intensive software from XP to Vista, particularly if it's going to have to support multiple languages. (because you'll now need a bi-lingual developer to re-code the device-tree scanning and parsing code - for each language. Microsoft developer support's still scratching their heads here. . . )

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    6. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by BUL2294 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guess what? Most did. Linux and OS X are still not viable options for many businesses. We'll see how it goes when Vista finally matures.
      Honestly, I'd love to see Sun or Apple or someone with deep pockets REALLY throw some serious cash at the WINE project. It's the little apps that are a huge headache. Having Solaris on desktops running some home-grown Microsoft Access 2003 app by way of WINE would go a long way in adopting a non-Microsoft OS.

      Remember, 32-bit apps have been common for over a decade now. Excluding .NET or DirectX, WINE could have Win32 app compatibility down to a science if someone really threw some resources at the project!

      Maybe Apple, Sun, & Linux folks should band together to show their collective strengths in fighting Windows and fund projects like WINE to their collective benefit--instead they fight each other. (Then again, Jobs' ego would prevent such an unholy union...)
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    7. Re:Slashdot... oh slashdot... by Asphalt · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I got Vista Home Premium for the first time 2 weeks ago. It came pre-installed on a machine I purchased.

      2 weeks and some 100+ hours later, I still don't get it. What it is, why it was created, what it does that XP didn't do, etc.

      I can confirm that it is quite a bit more resource intensive, and appears to be somewhat slower than XP. The interface is odd and counter-intuitive. I had to turn off UAC because it asked me to confirm every time I wanted to fart. When I turned off UAC, all of my application settings were reset, which means I had to re-configure pretty much everything. The mouse settings won't stick between reboot. I have to reconfigure the pointer evertime I boot the machine.

      I have 4 gigs of memory (only 2.5 gigs are visible), and the disk thrashes every moment that the machine is on. Even when sitting idle at the desktop doing nothing. Some programs don't work, or work in an odd manner. Adobe Premiere dumps on my with a cryptic error message, and I have had one BSOD. Something about could not get driver_power_state. Unplugging the external firewire drive seems to have stopped that.

      I thought FSX would really fly on Vista compared to XP, but the framerates are the same, even with the significant bump in hardware (From an AMD FX-55 to a Intel QX6800 and 6800 to 8800 video cards).

      I am trying to love the thing. I really am. Does it have some positives? I suppose. The little "Aero View" thing is marginally cool. Visually, the window manager theme is nicer. It runs MOST of my applications fine and allow me to get things done similar to XP. The drivers for the X-Fi card sound just incredible, and this is the best audio I have ever had. The drivers for the 8800 cards produce very nice and sharp images and go back and forth between quad monitors and SLI with a simple reboot.

      But does it do one thing that XP didn't do? For me ... no. At least nothing that I have come across. It does the same stuff as XP, sligthly slower than XP ... and seems to pound the living shit out of my hard drive. I am looking at the drive light right now and the thing is flashing constantly. It never stops.

      I still have my Ubuntu machine beside this one, and would love to install Ubuntu on this QX6800. But until Creative releases a driver from the X-FI card (which I am not willing to give up), I'm pretty much screwed on front.

      Once Ubuntu 7.10 is released, which will probably have native 8800GTX drivers on the live disk, and hopefully will have some kind of driver for the X-Fi card, this is going to become a Ubuntu machine very quickly, with a 50gb Vista partition for FSX. I am a heavy multi-tasker and have used every manner of OS release since DOS. I was a Unix admin for several years. So I am not exactly Joe and Jane Soccermom when it comes to screwing around with new OS's

      Until I can get some better Linux drivers for my current hardware, I will be spending more hours with my new buddy Vista, and I will be trying my best to figure out what Redmond was doing for the last 5 years.

      I keep telling myself that it just has to be something more than a window manager update ... but as of this typing, that is about all I have been able to find. XP with a new, slower, but prettier Window Manager.

      I am not sure what that point of upgrading from anything to Vista would be. Maybe I will figure it out in time, but don't know why anyone would bother right now.

  2. MS made big mistake with XP by Sciros · · Score: 5, Funny

    It didn't suck enough. Stuff works with it, it's secure enough, it's no longer costly, it uses a fraction of the firepower recommended for Vista.

    I don't think Vista is a bad OS at all. But if XP is working fine, and the next step up is only a mild improvement (and from my experience, something that the home user will notice more than a work user), it's not worth switching. XP just isn't bad enough to move on from.

    (Now, if only OS's could get crappier over time, like cars...) Maybe MS should release a "critical update" that turns it into Windows ME or 98.

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    1. Re:MS made big mistake with XP by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Exactly. Vista would probably slow most people down anyway because of the resource issue. Maybe in another couple of years when more companies are upgrading their systems company-wide.

      Personally, I think Windows peaked with 2000.

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    2. Re:MS made big mistake with XP by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not a bad OS? Have you been following the news? Spontaneous reboots, driver problems, VPN compatibility issues, application compatibility issues, USB device corruption...

      If XP's only advantage over Vista was that "it doesn't suck enough", then you'd be seeing a repeat of the XP rollout. In that case, a few people upgraded their 2000 and 98 machines to XP. But mostly, people got XP when they got new computers.

      This time, it's not just the old systems that are not getting upgraded. Brand new systems are still mostly shipping with XP. People don't trust the beast, and with good reason.

    3. Re:MS made big mistake with XP by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wish they still sold Windows 2000. I encounter PCs in my computer repair business that are saddled with 98 or ME but otherwise functional. They would be maddeningly slow with XP and unusable with Vista, but would work like a charm with 2000 if I could still get copies of it to sell. It would keep a lot of functional hardware from ending up in a landfill.

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  3. Not a Big Surprise by Rycross · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Notwithstanding the issues some users are having, Vista seems to me to be more of a consumer oriented operating system. It doesn't really have much to add to businesses beyond UAC, which I'm guessing most system administrators will turn off (in exchange for one of their internal security policies). Thats not even considering the fact that large businesses are extremely slow to upgrade to anything new. We only got XP Service Pack 2 where I work in the past year.

  4. Now the real question is.. by techiemikey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether businesses will have a choice when they order new computer's through their provider.

  5. Sticking with windows by Mike1024 · · Score: 5, Informative

    many will 'either stick with the Windows they have, or turn to Linux or Mac OS X' Well, lets see what the actual numbers are (quoting the article):

    2% said they are already running Vista
    9% said they planned to roll out Vista in the next three months.
    87%, said they would stay with their existing version(s) of Windows.
    8% of those polled acknowledged Linux plans and
    4% said they would deploy Mac OS X.

    I would say "many will stick with the Windows they have", certainly, but I'm not sure I would call 8% or 4% 'many'. And somehow I suspect 'linux plans' might not mean complete replacement of Windows on the desktop.

    Just my $0.02
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  6. Re:We're one of them... by Rycross · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be fair, incidents of problems are just evidence of risk. Vista is a new OS, which means that certain kinks and driver support are still being worked out. Theres no reason to subject critical business machines to any sort of risk when XP and/or 2003 works fine for them right now.

    If my boss asked me if we should upgrade to Vista, then I would tell him "No" without a second thought. And I actually like Vista.

  7. Or maybe... by hotsauce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they could make a compelling upgrade, so users want to upgrade.

    It wouldn't be the first time they copied a certain fruit company.

    But they will probably just stop supporting XP, and then that 87% will buy Vista, for fear of the next virus.

  8. Do what I want, or I won't buy it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A verizon cell phone takes pictures, but I can't transfer them to my hard drive, so it is a broken digital camera. Therefore, that "feature" is not a selling point for me.

    The iPhone doesn't support Flash or Java (and won't ever support them, from what I hear, because Apple wants to be the only company that can write software for it). Thus, it is broken both as a handheld computer and as a web browser. Again, those features, as cool as they are, are not selling points for me.

    Windows Vista comes with spyware, DRM, and other such malware built-in as part of the core OS. Thus, it will not do what I want it to do, and it will do things I don't want it to do. It's new features are not selling points for me.

    What I am getting at is this trend, both in software land and gadget land, of trying to make consumers buy products that limit them, rather than empower them. It is as if they are saying, "of course you want it to be an open and compatible system, but if you have that then you might be able to do things of which I disapprove (whether they are legal or not) or for which I would prefer to charge you. So, I will not give you what you want, but you will buy it anyway."

    No, I won't.

  9. Can't understand software company logic by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I simply can't understand software company logic. They sell a 'product', that is, a cardboard box containing a disk and a book. A few years later they sell more or less the same product (a disk and a book in a cardboard box) with a few changes. But they won't reduce the cost of the previous product. They simply refuse to sell or allow anyone else to sell the previous product at a reduced rate. It makes no sense and no other business (or at least any business that actually makes things) works like this.

        Company BozoTron makes Bozo-XKE, a software program that does, well, something. They release version 1.0 and it sells a few at $299 a box. Two years later, they release super-improved Bozo-XKE v2.0 (which does nothing more than muck up the user interface that all their customers took so long to learn, and fix a few bugs). It sells for $379 a box. But you can't buy the old version 1.0 at $100. And the owners of v1.0 can't sell their software for $100 to someone else and have BozoTron continue their support with the new owner. Some software companies might do this, but not BozoTron. You also can't split the v1.0 package and sell one part of it to a company (that will only use that section of the software, and doesn't need the rest of the package) for $50.

        So absurd and insane. The only reasonable thing to do is just make copies of XKE and use them however you like. Which drives BozoTron nuts. But that wouldn't be happening if they were a reasonable company with a reasonable marketing plan to begin with. But they aren't, they're a software company, a fantasy business, a virtual corp that only works as long a people agree to continue to give them money.

        Now I realize that this goes against everything that the Slashdot community believes in and threatens your livelihood, such that it is, but the only true value in software is what wealth it can create when applied to other economic resources. In itself, software is worthless. Its only value is when it's applied to other techniques, processes, and materials and increases the ability of those other techniques, processes, and materials to make money.

        So indeed, if XP is making you money and the cost of going to Vista is going to cost you more money than XP is making for you, then nobody is going to switch to Vista. Microsoft should franchise their old operating systems. Let some other company buy a support license from Microsoft to be the people who adapt and fix the bugs in Windows 98 and continue to support it in its various business environments. They are fools for expecting people to abandon old OS installs and go to unproven alternatives. That used to work for the first twenty-five years of the office PC, but it's beginning to change. People are beginning to realize that their corporate PC needs don't match Microsoft's corporate expansion needs. It used to be that what was good for Microsoft was good for the rest of the corporate community. Now that basic symbionic relationship is splitting. This would be good for the Linux community, but they are too splintered for reliable corporate support. It would be good for Apple, but they took too much LSD and it still shows with their obsession with flashy expensive electronic trinkets instead of rugged flexible low-cost computing systems. Eventually someone else will step up to fill the needs that Microsoft used to be able to do before they lost their way.

  10. No, Vista is a real failure. by twitter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    XP did not do well but Vista is doing much worse. The rejection seems to be universal. The same low percentage (12%) of business and home users say they want an "upgrade". M$'s power to push upgrades is over and with that goes the whole vendor manipulation monopoly.

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  11. The long road to XP by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many businesses kept Windows 2000 well after XP came out.

    Why? One, it was the "unknown" as in "we don't know what bugs are lurking around the corner."

    Two, it isn't trivial to convert an enterprise. Training costs alone are substantial, not to mention the other costs of rolling out a new OS.

    In order to defeat XP in the business marketplace, Vista has to be not "just as good as" but actually "better than" XP.

    In some ways, Vista has clear advantages over XP:
    * It has a longer shelf life. XP support will end sooner.
    * It has certain security features not found in XP
    * It has certain non-security features not found in XP

    On the other hand, it has some distinct disadvantages:
    * It presumably has more unknown security bugs than XP, although over time this will approach zero

    And of course those things that are "different" which make it more costly than XP for established businesses:
    * It has some different bugs than XP
    * It has some different features than XP
    * The look and feel is somewhat different than XP

    I'm sure there are many other advantages, disadvantages, and differences of XP vs. Vista.

    It is up to each customer to decide which version of Windows, if any, suits him best.

    My personal opinion?
    Defer ditching XP as long as possible, but plan on being XP-free well before support ends. "As long as possible" may be "we had to buy Vista the day it shipped" or "we'll stick with XP until the day before support expires" depending on your business needs.

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