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Industry Fallout from GTA IV Delay

SET writes "MSNBC has an interesting writeup on the shakeups in the gaming industry following Take-Two's announcement that Grand Theft Auto IV has been delayed. The article examines the problems this creates for Microsoft and Sony, both of whom were expecting GTA IV to help boost Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 sales this coming holiday season. 'Analyst Michael Pachter told Web site GamesIndustry.biz that he believes Rockstar has delayed the game because it is struggling with development on the PlayStation 3. Sony denies this charge and said that the company has a dedicated team working with Rockstar on "GTA IV." They say they're not that worried about the delay and would prefer that Rockstar take the time it needs to perfect the game. "We'd love to have [it] out as soon as possible," said Sony spokesperson Dave Karakker. "But we've never had a single game make or break any of our platforms. That's not how we built 100 million sales of [the] PlayStation 2, and that's not how we'll build 100 million in sales of [the] PlayStation 3."'"

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  1. So, come Christams time... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 360 will have Halo 3. The Wii will likely have Mario Galaxies and possibly even Super Smash Brothers Brawl. And the PS3 will have... what? How many crappy holiday seasons can Sony survive?

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    1. Re:So, come Christams time... by realinvalidname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 360 will have Halo 3. The Wii will likely have Mario Galaxies and possibly even Super Smash Brothers Brawl. And the PS3 will have... what? How many crappy holiday seasons can Sony survive?

      I think they're banking on a couple, actually. Their stubborn resistance to permanently lower the price and their continued statements of pride (if not bombast) makes me think that they believe the Wii is a short-term thing, a fad, one whose technical limitations will cause it to hit the wall in a year or two, at which point the PS3 will become the mainstream machine, and still command a hefty price. By this thinking, the 360 isn't a concern; while the Wii is outselling the PS3 6-to-1 in Japan, it's outselling 360 by 15-to-1 (or, crunched another way, even the lowly PS3 is outselling 360 almost 3-to-1). Hopelessly irrelevant in Japan, 360 isn't the competitor, and Sony is simply counting on Nintendo to fail.

      Crummy idea? Wishful thinking? I'd say so. But that's what this behavior looks like to me.

  2. Re:Wake up for Sony Developer Support? by Pluvius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The idea that the PS3 is responsible for the delay is unfounded speculation. It would be just as valid to suggest that the XBox 360 is causing problems with its inferior media capacity, or that Rockstar itself simply underestimated how much work the project would involve. Unless Rockstar itself reveals what's going on, we're never going to know the truth.

    Rob

  3. Holy biased! by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So some random analyst assumes the PS3 is the problem, and it ends up in the flamebait summary even though a VP at Rockstar says they haven't figured out how to deal with the lack of hard drive in the Xbox 360?

    Why doesn't the summary mention that Microsoft is considering allowing games which require the hard drive, possibly in response to these issues with GTA IV? Instead it just trash-talks the PS3. Lovely.

  4. Re:Huh? by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A multi-platform game isn't the cornerstone of anybodies holiday season. If the game is the same on both platforms it shouldn't help sales of one any more than the other.

    However in the case of GTA IV, there's Xbox exclusive content, but no PS3 exclusive content. If anything it would have helped Xbox sales, not PS3 sales. A delay of GTA hurts MS more than Sony, but it really doesn't hurt either of them much at all relative to each other.

  5. Re:Wake up for Sony Developer Support? by Pluvius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There have been plenty of demos of GTA4 running on the Xbox 360, but none of it running on the PS3.

    That may be because the engine that GTA4 uses was made for an earlier 360 game. This leads to another valid argument: The PS3 version is taking longer to develop because of difficulties in porting the engine. These difficulties would be the same if the engine had originated on the PS3 and needed to be ported to the 360, so it's not a problem with the PS3.

    It's safe to say that the cause for the delay is the well-known difficulty of developing for the PlayStation 3.

    I remember that the PS2 also had a "well-known difficulty" of development, but that didn't seem to affect it so much.

    Rob

  6. Re:Huh? by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think what he's saying is that if there's 30 great games out for the XBox360, not having a 31st great game isn't all that much. However, if the PS3 only has 10 great games, then not having an 11th great game is three times worse. I'm pulling those numbers out of a .cx domain, but that's the gist of it.

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  7. Re:Personally, I'm happy it's delayed by Xtravar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you're looking at this the wrong way. It's not the 0-day, cutting edge thing that attracts most people. It's more correlated to how much joy and excitement you derive from these games.

    I'm in the same boat as you with the whole waiting to play games... for most games. Same with most movies "I'll rent it when it's out on video."

    But let's say you're a huge Star Wars, Ghostbusters, and Transformers fan, and let's pretend all of those movies came out on the same weekend. Now, you've been anticipating these movies for years, you've been on the interwebs looking for information, you've been chatting about how great they're going to be... and now your total satisfaction of all 3 will be tied together and generally lower than if they'd been spread out.

    Not to mention, if you don't do X right away you miss the social tidal wave and have less to talk about (depending on your social situation). I can't watch Back to the Future and then start chatting to random strangers about details in it.

    I'll agree with you that cutting edge with a lot of things can be really stupid to outside observers, but I think it's a lot more complicated than you make it out to be. Typically, every person tends to do what's best for himself.

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  8. Re:Huh? by cowscows · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A multi-platform game might be a corner-stone when you don't have that many other games coming out, and the game in question is a huge name like GTA. I bought my PS2 because I wanted GTA3. When GTA IV comes out, I will want it, and my Wii won't run it. So I'll likely end up buying either a 360 or a PS3. I'm not sure which one I'm going to get right now, but Sony's chance of selling me a PS3 will go from approximately 0% right now to somewhere around 50%.

    Sony needs more excellent games for the PS3. Exclusives are best, but multi-platform doesn't hurt.

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  9. Re:Wake up for Sony Developer Support? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry for the wild speculation here, but are you an armchair game developer, or have you ACTUALLY used the PS3's SDKs? Last I heard from industry sources, the PS3 dev kits come with amazing APIs, its just that Microsoft's dev environment is more familiar to Windows game developers. Sony also promised to work on these issues, I'm not denying them, but what's your source exactly? Or are you just repeating FUD you read somewhere else?

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