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The Heretical Freeman Dyson

dublin writes "Big-thinker Freeman Dyson has written a new essay in which he points out the need for heretics in science, and goes on to gore some sacred cows, including global climate change: 'My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated ... There is no doubt that parts of the world are getting warmer, but the warming is not global ... When I listen to the public debates about climate change, I am impressed by the enormous gaps in our knowledge, the sparseness of our observations and the superficiality of our theories ... All our fashionable worries and all our prevailing dogmas will probably be obsolete in fifty years. My heresies will probably also be obsolete. It is up to [the people of 2070] to find new heresies to guide our way to a more hopeful future.'"

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  1. Re:On heresy. by ChatHuant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The question is, is Dyson being an Einstein, or a Bozo? For my money, on climate change, I'm going with the latter.

    Well, with all due respect for Dyson and his past work, I'm inclined to agree here. First, I read his essay and he doesn't seem to have any real arguments, backed by real numbers. He's basically arguing from personal incredulity, and explaining at length how that makes him a heretic, and therefore right. Second, I was at one of his talks quite recently (he was promoting one of his books), and somebody in the audience asked him about Dawkins' The God Delusion (just published). Dyson almost exploded; his (very volubly expounded) thesis was that Dawkins does immeasurable harm to science, and, if I understood him correctly, he almost said that one can't be an atheist and a scientist. I was quite surprised, so I went and did a Google search on Dyson; I found a number of things, among which this. So, sadly, I believe Dyson has suffered a bad attack of the Brain Eater in his old age.

  2. Re:Heretics? by ttfkam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are humans capable of producing more CO2 per decade than say, a single volcanic eruption?

    Yes. T.M.Gerlach (1991, American Geophysical Union) notes that human-made CO2 has dwarfed the estimated global release of CO2 from volcanoes by at least 150 times. The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect). Greenhouse warming of the earth has been particularly evident since 1980. Without the cooling influence of such eruptions as El Chichon (1982) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991), greenhouse warming would have been more pronounced. As those eruption-generated particles leave the stratosphere, the haze effect will diminish, and the original greenhouse effect will be more pronounced.

    Does the amount of organisms capable of removing CO2 from the atmosphere increase as this new atmosphere provides an environment closer to the optimum for them?

    Yes, but not enough to counter our influence. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/04093 0122712.htm

    Does the increase of CO2 (which is far denser than oxygen or nitrogen) at relatively LOW altitudes (because of this density) have ANY effect on the upper atmosphere? In fact, is heat really retained at ALL by a thin surface layer of CO2?

    Yes and yes.

    The "facts" are not as clear cut as you would like them to be. Of course it's easy if you only listen to what you WANT to hear.

    For example, if most of your talking points come from conservative "think tanks" rather than planetary climatologists. Please cite your assertions and be sure that all come from scientific journals and the like as opposed to the aforementioned think tanks or political pundits.

    Honestly. I'd love to see your evidence that calls global warming into question. I will read it and give it an honestly critical eye. I only ask that you cite your sources.
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  3. Re:Mod parent down by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are bunches of other data sets, by NASA and other authorities. This is just one data set that happened to contain an error. Big deal. Did you catch these two news stories?
    http://www.dailytech.com/NOAA+Global+Warming+Data+ Challenged/article7723.htm
    http://www.dailytech.com/New+Scandal+Erupts+over+N OAA+Climate+Data/article8347.htm

    Basically, a meteorologist went out and examined a bunch of National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) (who are part of the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)) temperature sites and he found that many of the sites did not meet the criteria of the NCDC.

    After the head of the NCDC got quizzed about this on the radio, the NCDC pulled their list of sites off the internet, so that nobody could go investigate the rest of them. Naturally, a stink was raised and the list was put back online. It turns out that the NCDC had started to validate their network of sites, but stopped when they realized what the results would show.

    It's really a quite sordid tale.
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