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The $200 Billion Broadband Rip-Off

Jamie noted that Cringley has a piece about the US Broadband situation. He talks about where we were and where we are: 'not very fast, not very cheap Internet service that is hurting our ability to compete economically with the rest of the world' and about the $200B the phone companies got to make it that way.

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  1. For A Start by JamesRose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These companies can sell you an 8 meg broadband connection, they'll sell it to 100 people and the line they're selling this on is an 80meg connection (example, not right numbers but right point). Any industry that can do this legally (or just get away with it) is clearly going to screw any consumer they can.

  2. Re:Don't blame Canada by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It still costs a lot of money to string fiber up to every residence. Competition could, theoretically, actually impede development of such a network, since they're so expensive to build that you're only going to build it if you have a reasonable expectation of recouping you investment.

    Not only that, but it's horribly inefficient for us to build multiple networks. There should be one physical network, and competition should exist on it.

    The problem is that in most of the country (Everywhere non-Verizon), this network isn't being built. And in Verizon territory, there is no competition allowed. Worse, in some areas, inferior technology is being installed (FTTN, etc..) that will actually delay the possibility of anything but 7ish Mbit ADSL. Even worse, we paid for the fiber network, but we don't actually have it.

    What is needed? We need some politicians with ethics who aren't in the pocket of the telcos to actually stand up and hold them to their promises. Either that, or we need the physical network to be a public utility. The former would be best for everybody, but it hardly seems likely... Everybody up the chain from the local town governments on up to the senate and even the executive branch is used to receiving their cut of what are essentially bribes from last-mile carriers (unscrutinized regressive taxes on citizens, really, funneled through telcos and cable-cos into local treasuries and national campaigns), and nobody is going to give the money back unless the voters hold them accountable. Most of the voters don't even know what's going on.

  3. The State of Broadband Today? by morari · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'not very fast, not very cheap Internet[..] And not very available either. Much more of the country is without than is with, I can assure you. The telecoms and cable companies don't care though. For some reason putting out a bit of money for a long-term payoff just doesn't register with corporations.
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  4. Re:more evidence by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just the latest piece of evidence for the case that completely unbridled market capitalism is not without flaws. Whether there are flaws in "unbridled market capitalism" or not, blaming it in this case is inappropriate, for this isn't a story of completely unbridled market capitalism! The story, and indeed the telecom industry in general, is positively fraught with government intervention and regulation. And though "The FCC was (and probably still is) managed for the benefit of the companies and their lobbyists, not for you and me," that makes it even less free-market, not more.

    I know an economics professor, incidentally, who noted that regulations on trade are generally put in place by the rich and powerful and act to keep the little people down. This is a textbook example.

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  5. Broadband in Holland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me tell you 'bout my friend in Holland. And, no, I don't mean Holland, Michigan. I mean Holland, Holland.

    He pays some ridiculous amount of money monthly, 10 or 20 Euros, and gets high speed broadband, TV (including the porn channels) and phone. His mortgage is 3.8%. Sex of any kind is not against the law and he can travel to any country in the EU without even slowing down as he drives across the border. At the risk of going off topic, do I need to add that health care and education are free.

    Could it be that there's something not quite right here in America?

  6. Re:more evidence by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except this isn't an example of "unbridled market capitalism". The original copper network was a private/public compromise built on private property seized by the government with its power of immanent domain.

    The federal government allowed monopoly control of the copper by one company, as long as it agreed to follow certain rules that a normal company would not need to. That is why multiple phone companies were allowed to compete on the same copper.

    Now we have the case where companies are not fulfilling their part of the bargain and the government isn't enforcing it any more.

  7. Re:Umm... have a look at their taxes.... by abigor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not the Netherlands - they have a +$45 billion trade balance and a budget surplus. Financially, they are golden. The only G7 country that is in similarly great financial shape is Canada.

  8. Re:Umm... have a look at their taxes.... by dal20402 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's see... about 24% of my income goes to federal & state (no local) income and payroll taxes... and, my best back-of-the-envelope guess is that I pay another 1%-2% in gas taxes, my car tab, and other user fees. (I own no property.) Yes, I'd happily pay half of my income to live in a country where we really had all of that stuff. Many Americans react just like you did when I say that, because the government is so ineffective here that they can't believe it would actually work. But there are a number of countries where it does, most notably a few of those evil European welfare states.

    Obviously, competent management and fiscal discipline are necessary for such a state to succeed. Ultimately, those are political problems and are the responsibility of the people. Ask yourself why certain other countries have them and the U.S. doesn't. I think you will find the answer has to do with how people are educated.

  9. Re:Don't blame Canada by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When it costs in the neighbourhood of $200 million

    Well, it will do when you make the campaign season last over a freaking year. I always cringe around election time in the US. How much productivity and money is wasted in this regular orgy of popularity contests?

    Go for the British model. Announce elections, campaign 5 weeks, over and done with.

    Forget campaign finance laws and lobbying problems. Just drastically shortening the election season alone would make a huge postive difference in the US.

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  10. Re:Don't blame Canada by m.ducharme · · Score: 5, Informative

    Corporations aren't people and aren't treated legally as people, except insofar as their owners are people. Bzzzt. Wrong. A corporation is treated as a person in the sense that the corporation as a whole is legally responsible for its actions, and not its constituent parts (the people who make up the corporation). This is what protects the average joe at the bottom of the heap from being personally liable for what his employer tells him he has to do. Neither he nor his employer is responsible for those actions. This is what is wrong with corporate personhood. When a bunch of people in the corporate body behave badly as a representative of the corporation, it's the corporation that gets punished, not the people doing the wrong thing. This absolves everyone from the employees to the board, to the shareholders, from responsibility for their collective actions. Corporations have rights to free speech qua corporations, not because of the rights of the constituent parts. You will notice that the right to free speech of corporations is curtailed in ways that a natural person's right to free speech isn't (i.e. false advertising laws, etc). You should also have observed that your rights as a person are much broader than your rights as a part of your corporation. Various forms of financial entities are granted rights of possession and litigation in line with their purpose as financial entities, but they aren't treated as people in general. The supposed "person-hood" that financial entities have is an extension of the actual, physical person-hood that their owners have -- corporations have rights to free speech because their owners have rights to free speech, and I don't see any pratical way to change that, short of opressing the person-hood of business owners.
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