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Strict German Computer Crime Law Now in Effect

SkiifGeek writes "With little fanfare, section 202c of the German computer crime laws came into effect over the weekend. Worryingly for Security professionals, the laws make the mere possession of (creates, obtains or provides access to, sells, yields, distributes or otherwise allows access to) many useful tools illegal. A similar law was proposed for the UK, however it was modified prior to passing through parliament due to the outcry from the industry. Phenoelit, KisMAC, the CCC, and the Month of PHP Bugs are just some of the relatively high profile projects and groups to have already taken measures to remove or modify content under this law."

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  1. Re:Very smart move by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

    My understanding of Godwin's Law is that you have to compare someone or something to hitler or nazi's and so on. Mere mentioning them wouldn't invoke it. Otherwise, how could you have a discussion over which tank was better during ww2 or whatever.

    I'm not sure it was invoked here.

  2. Re:Oh wow... by epee1221 · · Score: 4, Informative

    how will they manage to prevent EVIL hackers in germany from downloading their evil hacker tools from https://someip.org/hackertools/ ?
    Obviously, they'll just watch for the EVIL bit!
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  3. Re:Read the law before you panic by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Informative

    What can be described as a 'criminal tool'? Why, anything that can be used in the commission of a crime. Behold the "reasonable man standard."

    A criminal tool is something that a DA can stand in front of twelve randomly chosen citizens with no particular knowledge, and convince them that, not only that it can be used as a criminal tool, but that the defendant should have known that and did it anyway.

  4. Re:Very smart move by Knuckles · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disregarding the fact that the "comparison" case really is a corollary to the law (the law it self just states that the probability of such a comparison occurring approaches 1 with thread length), you have to compare someone/something that is obviously not comparable. Not every comparison violates Godwin's law. In fact, the law's intent is precisely to not let such comparisons become devalued, so that they can still be usefully applied when warranted.

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  5. Re:Read the law before you panic by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that possession of 'criminal tools' such as lock picks, bump keys, etc if one is not a licensed locksmith is a criminal offense.
     
    That depends on where you are. I live in Canada. In a former life I was a Sheriff. And I had a nice set of lock picks, a very slick pick gun, and a couple of slide hammers. Most of which were stamped "law enforcement use only". I was never a locksmith, though....

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  6. THC already hit by postmodern+modulus+I · · Score: 4, Informative

    The THC (The Hackers Choice) group has already been forced to discontinue some of it's best projects due to this absurd law.

    The Hacker's Choice is forced to discontinue several of its projects, as these might be effected by a new German 'anti-hacking' law. As a consequence all exploits and many releases have been removed from our web site. We are sorry.
    http://www.thc.org/

    Silenced are THC's Credit, Hydra, Scan and War-Drive. Hydra will be the most missed, as it was one of the best authentication bruteforcers. Not dwelling on this defeat to freedom of information and the security community, I suggest everyone in the security community begin resisting this trend towards silencing the messenger of insecurities.

    We should be working to create new tools and better means by which to distribute information and code, both securely and anonymously. The foolish politicians and companies who think they can dare enforce security by ignoring the problem and silencing individuals should be shown that this strategy does not work. This is yet another challenge to all the security researchers and programmers, will you allow others to dictate your creativity?

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  7. Re:So, has anyone read the law? by hweimer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am German and I am potentially affected by the new law as I publish exploit code from time to time. I have written a blog entry about it, including a translation of the relevant section and some thoughts about the consequences.

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  8. Re:Same FUD, different day... by Doctor+O · · Score: 2, Informative

    In Germany when you change your address, you have to inform the special municipal department -Wohnanmeldegungamt- (department of names and addresses)of the change Well, it's Einwohnermeldeamt (resident registration office), and the fun part is that it's even worse. The complete process includes:

    1) Going to the Einwohnermeldeamt of the place you've been living before, spend several hours in waiting rooms full of seriously pissed off people and get a written "deregistration" confirmation.
    2) Going to the Einwohnermeldeamt of the new place, spend several hours in waiting rooms full of seriously pissed off people, show said confirmation, and also give them the copy of the registration form you hopefully bought in some store because you *can't* get it at the Einwohnermeldeamt.
    3) Then there's some payola, they update your ID (yes, we have *real* ID and don't just use our SSN or driver's license, this is Germany after all) with a small sticker and a rubber stamp, and you're done.
    4) Even though you've just told the Government your new address, you have to repeat that process also for the registration of your car, your GEZ fees (a mandatory fee that's used to finance state television), the tax office, and many others I won't quote because my anger really starts coming up now.

    Oh, and all of this costs money. Yeah. Depending on where you live, the fees easily add up to a three-digit amount. And did I mention that you have to perform all of this in the first three days after your move? If you don't, you get prosecuted and pay a pretty hefty fee. I mean hey, I don't have FUCKING ANYTHING ELSE TO DO in the first days in the new house, like, say, unpacking boxes or reassembling the furniture that I have someplace to sleep.

    I'll stop now, but you can see that Germany bureaucracy really sucks balls, and can drive you mad. Actually it does so almost always whenever you have to deal with it and many people do outrageous things to not be forced to deal with it.

    And, being German, I don't see why people mod you Funny, because I think you're pretty much spot on. Then again, at least it's not boring here.
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