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RIAA Defendant Cross-Sues Kazaa And AOL

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In what appears to be a first, RIAA defendant Michelle Santangelo, the 20-year old daughter of Patti Santangelo, has made a motion for leave to serve a third party complaint against Kazaa and AOL, as well as against someone who installed Kazaa software, in Elektra v. Santangelo II. Her proposed third-party complaint (pdf) alleges that any injuries plaintiffs might have sustained were the result of the third party defendants' "negligence and breaches... in the defective design of Sharman Network's program, "Kazaa" which was a dangerous instrumentality in its each and every use as it existed in 2002-2004; the trespassing and reckless installation by Matthew Seckler [the person who allegedly installed the software without authorization] of such program; the failure to warn by AOL and Sharman; the failure to block the downloading of such files by AOL; the improper blocking of alleged (RIAA) warning messages by AOL and Sharman; and, the secretive file sharing system of and by Kazaa.""

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  1. umm, no by cyphercell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the failure to block the downloading of such files by AOL;

    No, AOL should not block files that I am downloading at all.

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  2. This would set TERRIBLE FUCKING PRECEDENT by karmaflux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope this chick loses. If she wins this idiotic suit, it would set legal precedent that it's the ISP's responsibility to police its users. That's just about the worst possible idea ever.

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  3. Re:Oh, for the love of... by Tomy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens."

    To paraphrase, "Sue 'em all, let the courts sort it out."

  4. She forgot.... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Funny

    to sue Microsoft because Windows allowed the installation of software such as Kazaa and the manufacturer of her computer for allowing the installation of a Windows that allowed the installation of Kazaa and the local power company for permitting the operation of a computer which allowed the.... oh you get the point

  5. RIAA should hire the wench by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    She's obviously proved she has what it takes to work for the RIAA.

  6. Re:Rights Based Society by NoMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm normally one of the first to shout 'grow some balls and take responsibility!' when things like this come up, but she does have a couple of points:
    • the improper blocking of alleged (RIAA) warning messages by AOL and Sharman: This is interesting. If AOL (or, somehow, Kazaa/Sharman Networks) prevented her from receiving warning messages which may have caused her to stop, then any infringement after those messages were sent may be at least partially down to them. If so, they they should take some of the liability.
    • the secretive file sharing system of and by Kazaa: This is a goodie! Any normal & reasonable user expects a program to stop running when you click the 'close' button, right? Kazaa kept running in the background ! If a user takes reasonable steps (i.e. clicking that 'close' button) to stop infringing, and yet the program continues on infringing, whose fault is that ? The user has tried, in good faith and to the best of their knowledge, to avoid further infringement - but the program decided that it knew better...

    As I said, interesting...

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  7. I disagree... by EdBear69 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Take responsibility. Stand up and declare your rights.

    Don't weasel out by blaming the other guy.

    While I'm not sure what you mean by 'Stand up and declare your rights', I'll let it go and talk about weaseling for a second.

    In this case, the defendant claims to have done nothing wrong and to be guilty only of the following:

    • 1. owning a computer
    • 2. having an aol account
    • 3. allowing the computer to connect with the internet
    • 4. not monitoring their computer to ensure it was not being used for illegal activity

    Taken at face value, I don't see any weaseling going on. The only seemingly weasel-ish aspect is the way that the third party complaint spreads across so many defendants. This, however, is perfectly acceptable in the legal system if, again, you take the original defendant's testimony at face value.

    The way I see it, Miss Santangelo is basically saying, "I didn't do it. It's not my fault. I don't know who is responsible, but it's probably one of these guys, let the court figure it out."

    It's not that she's accusing aol and Sharman as much as she's saying that they had more to do with any infraction than she did.

    Looking at how this looks for precedence, I'm interested to see how this turns out. We currently have laws that hold a bar liable if a patron gets a DUI on the way home. Bars serve alcohol, it's what they do. But they get in trouble if people use their product illegally. By the same token, aol supplies internet access. Should they be held completely harmless if people use their product illegally? If so, why is there a double standard between bars and ISPs?

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  8. Re:Oh I get it by Yez70 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Interestingly enough, thats actually more (18 cents) than an artist gets per song.

    The RIAA, record companies and their distributors get the rest.