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RIAA's "Making Available" Theory Is Tested

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA's argument that merely 'making files available' is in and of itself a copyright infringement, argued in January in Elektra v. Barker (awaiting decision), is raging again, this time in a White Plains, New York, court in Warner v. Cassin. Ms. Cassin moved to dismiss the complaint; the RIAA countered by arguing that 'making available' on a p2p file sharing network is a violation of the distribution right in 17 USC 106(3). Ms. Cassin responded, pointing out the clear language of the statute, questioning the validity of the RIAA's authorities, and arguing that the Court's acceptance of the RIAA's theory would seriously impact the Internet. The case is scheduled for a conference on September 14th, at 10 AM (PDF), at the federal courthouse, 300 Quarropas Street, White Plains, New York, in the courtroom of Judge Stephen C. Robinson. The conference is open to the public."

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  1. As much as i hate the RIAA.... by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Informative

    .. I believe they are correct here - enabling someone else to commit a crime is a crime in itself. And like it or not, sharing copyrighted material IS a crime in the USA at this point in time.

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    1. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by jonatha · · Score: 5, Funny

      That explains why the man who sold the Virginia Tech shooter his guns is currently in jail.

      Oh, wait....

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    2. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >And like it or not, sharing copyrighted material IS a crime in the USA at this point in time.

      So my torrent seed of Ubuntu (which is comprised almost entirely of copyrighted material) is illegal?

      That is the claim you have made.

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    3. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by dunezone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No wonder you're a foe of a friend.

      The general statement of saying "enabling someone else to commit a crime is a crime itself" is just nonsense.

      With that general statement you could in theory hold a man who drove drunk and killed someone accountable, the manufacturer of the automobile, the designers of the automobile, the assembly line workers(if any) that put the car together, the store or individual who sold that man the liquor all accountable. Because you know, all of those in "theory" enabled that man to drive the automobile while intoxicated. Hell, why not involve the local government for putting those damn roads in that enabled that man to drive his automobile around.

    4. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Informative

      "However at no time is the sharing of material, which has a copyright notice on it clearly denying you permission to share, legal." Not necessarily. Think two people who each own the CD sharing a ripped copy because one is too stupid to rip their own and wants it on their ipod. Obviously I'm stretching things and that's not what's going on with P2P, but still, its theoretically possible for sharing to not violate copyright.

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    5. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by Adambomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're so sure, please point the to law that is being broken by making copyrighted material available to be copied.

      Oh, and make sure to never play your music too loud, someone might be out there with some good recording equipment.

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    6. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by Propaganda13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is how do they know that they own the copyright to the files.

      I have a mp3 file in my shared folder called rehab.mp3. This file is a copyrighted audio recording of my friend talking about rehab. RIAA using false pretext (and possibly violating the terms of use of the network) download this song. They check it and realize it is not the file they thought.

      RIAA downloaded copyrighted material without the creator's permission.

      I think I just figured out step 3.

      1. Make audio recording
      2. Put in shared folder
      3. ????
      4. Profit!

    7. Re:As much as i hate the RIAA.... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's both morally and legally wrong, unless you are a communist and believe in such things.
      So, communism is immoral? As long as I "believe in such things" it's OK to steal? Are you a moron?

      Cliffski, seriously, one of the definitions of "stealing" is "taking someone else's property". I don't happen to believe that copying a CD is taking someone's property, because the owner still has it. That's your own description isn't it?

      Now the question is "who has the permission of who created it originally"? And what does "permission" mean in this case. I just copied the library's lovely recording of Georg Solti's performance of the opera Parsifal. Richard Wagner created Parsifal originally, and he's not around to give any permission, and I guarantee that he didn't give the Sony Conglomerate permission to make money off of his work.

      The library still has their 4-CD set and I've got the music on my mp3 player.

      The entire system of "intellectual property" is based on a fantasy designed to make people who have never created anything a way to get rich. As someone who "believes in such things", I say "fuck them". Let 'em work for a living like the rest of us.
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  2. But wait... by burning-toast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the entire basis of the RIAA claims in all of these cases striking anyone else as being entirely based on "it may have been" scenarios being used as proof?

    I think that all corporations which sue individuals should have to adhere to criminal court standards instead of needing just a "whiff" of possibility. Individual vs. Individual of course would still be run as a Civil matter. They should be required to obtain warrants if they want a "Discovery" into any non-public records of the individual. IMHO, they should absolutely NOT be able to get any records from any organization whatsoever about an individual without a warrant (consider ISP's releasing IP address / account information to a corporation for a shady example).

    This is why I think copyright infringement should be up to the courts to investigate and prove or disprove as a criminal matter and NOT the plaintiff (corporations).

    There seems to be a serious disadvantage for an individual in almost ALL cases involving a company suing an individual (specifically the depth of their pocket books and ability to pay a lawyer).

    Thanks for your efforts NewYorkCountryLawyer

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    Much of this post may be conjecture, ranting, etc. I apologize if I got OT, but I would like clarification if any of my views are out of whack, and I wouldn't mind alternate viewpoints so long as they aren't in troll fashion.

    P.S. To all grammar Nazi's; I don't really care if I missed anything when I glanced over this post. Don't waste your breath or potentially cause yourself carpal-tunnel by trying to fix it.

    1. Re:But wait... by teslatug · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As long as we're wishing, I'll go one better. The corporations should be forced to pay upfront for the plaintiff's defense if he can't afford a good one. If the corp wins, they win the court costs too. That way people can't be intimidated into folding even when they haven't done anything wrong.

    2. Re:But wait... by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A corporation is a legal entity just like any citizen.

      I think you've found the basic bug. If we just fix that one, a lot of these other ones will quietly disappear.

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  3. Re:Attn: slashdot editors by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please give it a fucking rest.

    Sorry, but I disagree with you. These cases are important to read about, and to discuss. Tens of thousands of people are being sued, and everybody on /. at least knows what a P2P system is. The most downloaded free open source application is a Bittorrent client. This is one of the biggest YRO issues of the moment, and worth following, and discussing, in detail. It's the reason we have DRM, and Vista, and Sony supplied rootkits, and it affects everybody!

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  4. Sharing *is* legal by wurp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why do I have to keep repeating myself?

    In the United States, you have every right to get together with friends and make copies of music on analog tape, or digital copies of music using digital audio recording equipment. This is per the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992.

    I'm not sure what this means about copying a CD someone else bought to a tape, but copying a CD for a friend using digital audio equipment and audio cds is perfectly legal, and copying an audio tape to another audio tape is also legal. We pay a "tax" to the RIAA on every piece of digital audio equipment, audio CD, and audio tape to allow this.

  5. What is "distribution" under the Copyright Act? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I notice that the trolls are out in force on this one, so let me point out something. There is nothing in the Copyright Act that prohibits "sharing" of copyrighted material, or "making available". We do it all the time, every day, when we play music for a friend, have a party, have someone over to watch our DVD, etc.

    The RIAA is relying on an alleged infringement of the "distribution" right.

    But "distribution" under the Copyright Act means (1) disseminating (2) actual physical copies (3) to the public (4) through sale or other transfer of ownership or rental, lease, or lending. See brief (pdf), esp. pages 3-4.

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  6. just so much hot air by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    you are innocent until proven guilty.
    the RIAA has failed to charge anyone

    If you can't make the most elementary distinctions between civil and criminal law then anything you say about the law is worthless.

    All the rights agencies have to do as a plaintiff in a civil case is to persuade the finder of fact that it is reasonable to believe that you infringed on the copyright of one of its members. Nothing more than that.

    In order to show that an individual has committed unauthorized distribution of copyrighted content, the RIAA would have to catch the individual in the act of transferring the copyrighted content to another individual who has not been authorized, by fair use or otherwise, to obtain a copy of the IP

    This is like saying you can't take the pirate broadcaster into court because you don't know and can't know who - if anyone - was listening to his station. Judges and juries don't think this way. It is precisely the reckless and indiscriminate nature of distribution through the P2P nets that destroys any defense of "fair use."

  7. Read the Law by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a lot of bizarre statements about the "law" being made here by people who don't know anything about copyright law but are pretending they do. Don't be misled by them. Just read the statute, 17 USC 106(3).

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