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Google's Continued Growing Pains

eldavojohn writes "The Mercury News is reporting that Google's 500 percent growth since its IPO hasn't come without a cost. With the purchase of DoubleClick, Google is facing antitrust charges in both the United States and the European Union. And with their rising success, there are open source alternatives springing up."

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  1. Re:Unregulated capitalism == evil by dch24 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this article is misleading. They talk about the antitrust investigation into Google's acquisition of DoubleClick... caused by:

    Complaints that "publishers might fear that if they did not deal with Google, their ranking in Google's search engine might be affected"

    In other words:
    Before Google ever drops my search ranking because I cancelled my DoubleClick subscription, I'm going to spread FUD about this hypothetical possibility, and insist the Government shut them down.

    There is also the typically worries about privacy after Google knows not only what you search for, what AdWords you click on, but now what DoubleClick Banners and Pop-Ups you click on too. And they talk about some of Google's competitors, trying to find the next Google killer. They think Wikia and OpenAds will be more open-source (Google's PageRank is a "closely guarded secret") and won't collect any consumer information.

    It's all just so ... hypothetical. Wake me up when you have an actual search engine or advertising model. In the meantime, let Google buy DoubleClick. If they fail to deliver on either front, there are plenty of competitors who will willingly accept all their dissatisfied customers.

  2. Wikia is no Google competitor by tmk · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Wikia search project may be a search engine for very special requests in three or five years, but it is not a competition for Google, nor it is intended to be.

    BTW: There are plenty of other open source and distributed search engines. For example this one.

  3. Re:How long can it last? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Man, i dread the day that they isolate the maybe 10,000 people on the planet who actually respond positively to advertising.

    Yeah, I'm sure that the reason companies have been pouring billions and billions of dollars into advertising for decades isn't that it works, but that nobody even though to check.

  4. So how did this article end up on here, anyway? by Behrooz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd say these 'growing pains' appear rather similar to the challenges faced by any corporation of similar size. Potential mergers with companies in the same field being investigated by the FTC? Welcome to the Fortune 100. Open source alternatives as a 'threat' to ubiquitous name recognition and >50% market share? Yep, that's a truly pressing problem most tech companies would love to face. Difficulties sustaining rapid growth when your market cap exceeds $150B?

    Well, yes, it's difficult to grow rapidly when you're valued at over 1/400th of the gross world product. Pick a bigger planet next time, perhaps?

    Honestly, did this article really say anything insightful or unusual? If it did, I missed it...

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  5. I work at a startup by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We would be inclined to view antitrust charges as a "nice to have" type of problem.

  6. Re:Unregulated capitalism == evil by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is a decent company, but they do evil simply by virtue of dominating the market and being impossible for a newcomer to compete with. Is Google actually doing anything to prevent newcomers from entering the market?
  7. Re:How long can it last? by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Man, i dread the day that they isolate the maybe 10,000 people on the planet who actually respond positively to advertising.

    Yeah, I'm sure that the reason companies have been pouring billions and billions of dollars into advertising for decades isn't that it works, but that nobody even though to check.

    The thing that marketers are best at selling is...advertising. People say that, for example, suckers must be buying stuff from the spam emails they receive, or there wouldn't be spam - but that isn't necessarily true. Spammers only need to convince companies to pay them.

    Personally, I'd be happy to just pay a couple bucks per show, or a penny per search, or whatever. I'd have cancelled my cable TV long ago if it weren't for my PVR.

  8. Of course they are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google DeathSquads(tm) are driving from campus to campus, slaying out of hand any student enrolled in CS, IT or Engineering fields.

    And you thought those vans were just taking pictures.

    No, Google's not doing crap to stop innovation/competition; there's just the usual, "But, but, it's Google! Waah! I don't want to work my ass off, I don't want to make something better, I just want to call them evil and tell them what to do as a non-shareholder!" crap going on here at Slashdot.

  9. Deja vu? by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Microsoft was originally established, in the era of IBM dominance over PC OS and software, their mission statement was to be everything IBM wasn't at the time... To cut the red tape, to avoid bureaucracy, to put human relations above legal stuff, to be the "people's company" that fights the IBM tyranny. And back then, in the late seventies and early eighties, it was. If you find it hard to imagine, just google the "Would you have invested?" poster.

    Fast forward 20 years, and what do you see? Microsoft now is the Big Bad Suing-R-Us company, holding almost total dominance over the PC OS and other markets. It is the new Goliath. And then, comes the new David, Google, with the mission statement of "do no evil", in other words, "do no Microsoft", once again being the "people's company" that fights the MS tyranny.

    Fast forward another X years... You get the idea.

    The cycle never ends, and indeed it is pretty much natural. Once a company grows from a small enthusiastic community (which Google once was, which Microsoft even earlier once was, etc) to a big faceless corporate conglomerate, there will come a new player, making up with agility what he lacks with force. And the new David vs. Goliath battle ensues, until David grows up to be so big and fat you can't tell him apart from Goliath anymore, and the next David candidate takes on the role.

  10. Re:How long can it last? by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, marketing such as you see on TV only works insofar that you and/or your product get the air time instead of someone else.

    Advertising is like an arms race; everyone is doing it (and spending way too much on it) just because everyone else is.

    People in general respond negatively to advertising. However, it is generally true that a bad reaction is better than no reaction at all; even if they're annoyed by a commercial, people are still more likely to buy a product they'd heard about (or of) in a commercial than a product they'd never even heard of before.

    Furthermore, since everyone is doing it, people are annoyed more or les equally by all companies, so the negative effect (annoyance) is diminished/shared, while the positive effect (people hearing about your product) is retained.

    Basically, if everyone stopped playing the advertising game... nah, sorry, it would start all over again. Same dealers, new suck^Wplayers.

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  11. Re:Google's master plan. by pipatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, and apparently it's led by someone that understands that the way to a continued successful growth is to be nice to your employees, to treat your customers with respect, and well, generally Do No Evil. Everyone understands that they want to make money. It's no charity. What makes them different from virtually every other major IT company out there is that people don't hate them, which is why, whenever there's talk about Google, the Do No Evil mantra comes up.

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  12. Re:How long can it last? by kestasjk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't think advertising works you must not have an adsense account that earns money. Advertisers pay on a per click or per view basis and can calculate their profit based on advertisement clicks.

    I'm sure you're not saying that the reason billions are spent on advertising is that advertisement media producers are just really good salespeople, but that's how it sounds.

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  13. Re:people who call Google evil by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google didn't do ANY evil to me, it is a free service for me.
    M$ on the other hand provides its mediocre software force-fed to me.
    Devil's Advocate:
    Microsoft Windows is free software to me. I buy a PC, and it comes with Windows. Sure, HP or Dell has to pay for it, but I don't.

    My sarcastic comment, above, is parallel to your comment about Google Search being free. Someone is paying for Google Search, and the costs are most certainly being passed along to the consumer somewhere along the line. Just because you don't see it itemized doesn't mean that you aren't paying for it.

    So why, again, is Google so good, and Microsoft so evil? Because Google plays the shell game better?

  14. Re:Unregulated capitalism == evil by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's why I use tor if I'm browsing anything remotely dodgy.

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