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NYT Confirms Movie Studios Paid to Support HD DVD

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Times has confirmed the story that Paramount and DreamWorks Animation were paid $150 million for an exclusive HD-DVD deal that will last 18 months. 'Paramount and DreamWorks Animation declined to comment. Microsoft, the most prominent technology company supporting HD DVDs, said it could not rule out payment but said it wrote no checks. "We provided no financial incentives to Paramount or DreamWorks whatsoever," said Amir Majidimehr, the head of Microsoft's consumer media technology group.'" We discussed Paramount's defection on Monday.

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  1. Yeah... So? by MattZ3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did anyone really expect anything different?

    1. Re:Yeah... So? by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isn't it ironic that the consumer vigorously defends his right to "choice" but won't make a move until the choice is made for him? Yeah. After all no consoles were bought in significant numbers until the Wii was chosen, oh wait....

      Consumers want and demand choice all the time. They've simply learned that the market supporting two high-end video formats simultaneously is unlikely (see Beta vs VHS) and so are unwilling to invest in a format that will soon die.
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    2. Re:Yeah... So? by RexRhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it ironic that the consumer vigorously defends his right to "choice" but won't make a move until the choice is made for him?


      No, the consumer has clearly chosen not to spend his/her money on more unnecessary crap like Blu-Ray or HD-DVD players. The consumer has decided that normal DVD is plenty fine for them right now.
    3. Re:Yeah... So? by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think what will determine *this* market will be burners. Whoever has the cheapest burner^Wmedia first will cause a move to their format

      Fixed that for you.
      I'll pay a 50% premium on a burner if the media is 50% cheaper.

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    4. Re:Yeah... So? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Isn't it ironic that the consumer vigorously defends his right to "choice" but won't make a move until the choice is made for him?

      No irony there, just common sense.

      We want choice in our products and standards for our containers. The disk is the container, not the product.

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    5. Re:Yeah... So? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't it ironic that the consumer vigorously defends his right to "choice" but won't make a move until the choice is made for him?

      I already made my choice: regular DVD is fine. Someone decided for me that I should delay buying another player for at least another 18 months. I just don't know who the next long term deal is going to be with, and it's pretty clear they're quite interested in selling the same shit over and over again on multiple formats.

      The last video format conversion was from tape to disc. That was a huge change in the overall experience. Remember those tape rewinders? Tape was a disaster. So are discs actually. The difference in the experience between DVD and HD-whatever-DVD-Ray is too slight. Counting pixels misses the point. Why do you even care how sharp this garbage looks? With these hi-def discs, you still have to actually get up, walk over to a player, and fiddle with physical plastic objects and their stupid covers with those annoying stickers plastered across the opening. Does anyone think it's going to be cool to keep doing that 18 months from now? It's going to feel as intolerable as CD audio feels today.

      Just keeping plastic discs organized actually requires special racks, stands, or actual furniture. I have two "media stands" holding DVDs in the corner. They're probably headed for the garage where my CD audio rack is. I recently got one of those ipod stands with a CD audio player on top. I have yet to put a CD into it because all the discs are in the garage. If we ever get a new disc, it gets ripped, and then it goes to the garage. The slight degradation in quality doesn't enter into the decision at all. I just don't care. I'm happy I can listen to music without having to look at all these stupid things or match them with their covers.

      Americans are getting fatter. They don't want to waddle over to a player every time they play a different movie. That's totally lame. They want whatever lets them watch this shit without leaving their sofas by pushing buttons on a remote and only ONE remote- not a bunch of remotes with an additional one arriving every 18 months during a long bitter format war. So nobody is going to bother with HD-DVD or Blue-Ray. If you're going to pull a scam like this, you have to offer something worthwhile to the mark.

    6. Re:Yeah... So? by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, I bet they said the same thing when DVDs started to replace VHS.

      Have you seen the difference in quality of a HD movie vs a DVD movie when played on a screen that can handle it? It's an amazing difference. Most consumers have -not- seen this, and probably won't until there's good market penetration.

      The difference is good enough that I have purchased NEW movies at full retail price for the first time in over 10 years. Crank and Kung Fu Hustle are amazing, and I've heard the third one I bought this weekend, Memento, is amazing as well.

      So while the consumer may have chosen not to spend their money, that doesn't mean they have any actual information to base that decision on. Players -are- still too expensive, and I wouldn't have one if I hadn't snagged a used PS3 for dirt cheap, but I expect that will change soon, just like always happens. TVs have some way down already. For instance, 5 years ago a 50" Plasma was $50,000 at Office Depot. I bought a 46" LCD with 10,000:1 contrast ratio (making it pretty much as good as plasma) for $2300, and I could have bought a Plasma with the same size and features for under $3000. That's quite a drop in price for only 5 years.

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  2. So what? by DaveCBio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's drag out all of Sony and friends general ledgers and see how much "promotional consideration" Target and Blockbuster got. I really don't get why people are making a big deal about a company making promotional deals. Let's be serious, these days $150 million is about enough to cover one big budget movie.

    1. Re:So what? by DaveCBio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Huh? Since when does this violate the ideals of capitalism? Capitalism has nothing to do with the "best ideas rising to the top" unless you are ascribing some sort of Randian idealism. What is happening here is pure capitalism. People with wealth are using it to further their own agenda, which ultimately they hope will generate a suitable return.

    2. Re:So what? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Huh? Since when does this violate the ideals of capitalism?

      Not the way capitalism really operates, the idealistic way American (and possibly other) children are tought to think capitalism operates in middle school.

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    3. Re:So what? by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not quite. how about: "what if you had already lent me your house on an eternal lease and i made a copy of your house in another state for me and my family to live in when i was visiting my friends there?"

    4. Re:So what? by rollingcalf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "All property rights are "government-granted monopolies".

      Yes, one could make that argument. But "intellectual property" rights are significantly more far-reaching than physical property rights.

      With physical property rights, you build a better mousetrap and you own that mousetrap. You have a "government granted monopoly" over that specific mousetrap, if you want to put it that way. But everybody else's mousetrap is still their own.

      Once you patent your mousetrap, you own not just the mousetrap you made, but you also effectively own every other mousetrap in the country that is similar to yours, even though they were made by the hands and tools and materials of somebody else. Your intellectual property takes away the physical property rights of other people.

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  3. Yawn by rlp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wake me when one format bites the dust and players for the other format are $100. Till then I'll make do with DVD's.

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  4. With Dual Players Becoming Common, Easy Money by CubeNudger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that combo Blu-Ray HD-DVD players are becoming increasingly available and cheap, any studio would be stupid to not take a cash payout for (what may end being an ultimately meaningless) format switch. With the format war continuing for at least another few years (by all likelihood), it's conceivable that mass adoption of combo players as they become affordable will mean that format difference will ultimately be of as little meaning as DVD+/-R is now. Besides, with adoption rates lagging so badly, the losses from switching to a less-popular format over the next 18 months are probably outweighed by the cash payment. Great business decision by Paramount.

  5. Re:Checks by jgc7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Microsoft, the most prominent technology company supporting HD DVDs, said it could not rule out payment but said it wrote no checks. "We provided no financial incentives to Paramount or DreamWorks whatsoever," said Amir Majidimehr, the head of Microsoft's consumer media technology group."

    The statement begs the question; how is it possible to make a payment but provide no financial incentive? There is no such thing as payment, that is not a financial incentive. A contingency is a financial incentive but not a check, but there is no such thing as a payment that is not a financial incentive. Either the reporter is an idiot, or Microsoft is full of shit.

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  6. Obviously, the money is to buy an inferior format. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is only one reason why someone would pay $150 million to buy the adoption of a particular format: The HD DVD people realized their preferred format was inferior, and could not possibly win in the marketplace in a fair competition on the merits.

    In other words, the people who paid believed that the format they don't want to win, Blu-ray, is worth $150 million more than their HD DVD format in true value, so to even the score they had to pay.

    That shouts very loudly to me. Someone with $150 million to spend has set the value of Blu-ray as being worth that much more than HD DVD. Thanks for the information. You have voted with your dollars, and shouted to everyone who thinks about it that Blu-ray should win.

    From the New York Times article: "The battle over the competing high-definition DVD technologies has sputtered in recent months as Blu-ray discs have emerged as the front-runner. Blu-ray titles are sharply outselling HD offerings..."

    Not only the corrupters, but the marketplace also, agree that Blu-ray is better.

    I wonder how much it would cost to get Paramount and DreamWorks Animation to adopt 8-track tapes?

    I wonder how much it would cost to get Paramount and DreamWorks Animation executives never to take showers or baths? Obviously, to them, everything is for sale, even their technical integrity.

    If that kind of thing continues, the word "executive" will become synonymous with the word "sleaze".

  7. Lets talk value of a property by anandsr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I say I bought a house or a car. I have spent money to acquire the rights to the brick mortar, iron, labour everything that goes into the building of this house or car. There has been a transaction between the previous owner and me which says that the transaction was fair.

    Now when you say that you have written a piece of work. Can you say that you have paid back for every piece of information that you used to produce that work. You cannot. There are literally millions of small pieces of information that goes into creating that work. It is true that a lot of creativity and effort goes into producing that work, but it is still built on a large amount of information that had required a lot of creativity, and effort. You never did pay for these pieces of information. You just used it and now you are trying to steal when you try to deny the right of those creators and their survivors (ie the public) to also enjoy the fruits of your labour, as you did theirs.

    I am not against copyright, as long as it is copyright and not some kind of stupid "intellectual" property right. Copyright has a stated purpose, which is to allow creators to gain some payment for their efforts. But it is only that. Trying to make it into a perpetually owned property is an attempt to steal from the public domain. The same goes for patents, but the problem is less severe there.

    In light of the above, copyright should be very limited in time, and scope. It should give some inalienable rights, such as attribution. But commercial rights should be severely curtailed. I believe, to just commercialize a product you should be required to register your work at the copyright office stating your intention to benefit from it, and providing a copy for its library. The right to benefit from it should be only for a very limited time, like 5 years (from the point of registration) allowing for one extension of another 5 years. Anything more in the Internet age is stupid and excessive. Works owned by Corporations should not be allowed to have an extension, that will make it more difficult for corporations to steal from the artists.

    Everybody should be required to earn their living, and artists or RIAA/MPAA should not be above it. This means that no perpetually milking the only good thing that you produced.

    There is a deeper meaning to the following quote by Newton which some people will never have the humility to understand.
    "If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."

  8. Re:Comparison of Blu-ray and HD DVD by prockcore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hybrid Discs -- Here we can find an advantage for Blu-ray, resulting from the new structure of the disc.


    Strange since HD-DVD/DVD hybrids already exist, yet I don't know of any bluray/DVD hybrids... so I'd say the advantage goes to HD-DVD on this.