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Gamma Ray Anomaly Could Test String Theory

exploder writes "String theory is notorious for its lack of testable predictions. But if the MAGIC gamma-ray telescope team's interpretation is correct, then a delay in the arrival of higher-energy gamma rays could point to a breakdown of relativity theory. A type of 'quantum lensing effect' is postulated to cause the delay, which is approximately four minutes over a half-billion year journey." Ars's writeup is a little more fleshed-out than the Scientific American blog posting.

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  1. Correction,experiment will test the standard model by physicsphairy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the standard model fails, string theorists will laugh, jump and down, and point their fingers at their former naysayers.

    If the string theory model fails, it will be replaced with a newer, better version of string theory, with bountiful opportunities for new books, conferences, papers, and maybe even some derivative specialities of study.

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  2. Re:Not specific to String Theory by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that it is definitely important to note, as you did, that this isn't just a matter for string theorists.

    I really wish that string theory wouldn't be glorified the way that it is. I am not aware of a single hypothesis that has been successfully tested and validated under it. And as you mentioned, string theory does predict something like this, but so do other forms of physics.

    This is definitely a significant finding, because gamma rays should be traveling at the speed of light, and only that speed through a vacuum. I read through things quickly, but it doesn't appear that any reasoning was advanced in the article for the delay. But as long as the rays left at the same time, this would be a problem for relativistic physics. Unless it turns out that there is some sort of mass in the medium, in which case the relativity is still fine.

  3. String theory needs to be falsifiable by jinxidoru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is not with finding a way to prove string theory so much as find a way to falsify it. There are many ways to prove string theory, but seemingly no way to falsify it. Because every failed prediction it has made so far has been alright because both the failure and success have been within the realm of possibility of the theory. This is why I'm not a huge fan of string theory and generally feel that it is more akin to religion than science. But, then again, I'm not a physicist. So, what do I know? (not very much is the answer)

  4. Important caveat by jlkelley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IAAA [I am an astrophysicist], and I'd like to point out what I feel is an important caveat to this nevertheless very interesting work. From the paper itself:

          "We cannot exclude the possibility that the delay we find [...] may be due to some energy-dependent effect at the source."

    What they are saying is that there are still details we don't understand about AGN [active galactic nuclei] like Markarian 501. So, while this effect could be a first sign of quantum gravity (*not* string theory in particular, as others have pointed out), it could also simply be something going on in the intrinsic spectrum of the flares themselves. I'd personally consider the second explanation more likely at this stage.

    As they also point out, one approach to sort out the ambiguity would be to observe other flary AGN at different redshifts (distances). One could then, for example, see if the delay gets shorter or longer as the distance changes, as one would expect with a quantum gravity effect due to propagation to Earth.

  5. Re:Correction,experiment will test the standard mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it also egocentric to assume upfront that you have the correct answer and all those other folks who worked on it all there life are a bunch of fools?

    PS I just remembered, your idea of an underlying mechanism was a common idea for a long idea for many scientists including Einstein, it is just that every experiment conceived by them proved them wrong and showed that it was exactly as the theory portrayed. So I wouldn't bet on your idea of how things work to be so certain.

  6. Re:ahem by Guppy06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "if only tentatively,"

    The process of peer review requires that you actually give your peers time to review.

    "people who have been loudly complaining about the lack of such observations have gone silent."

    If someone's going to get emo over cries of "tests or GTFO," they're in the wrong line of work.

  7. Re:No no no by little1973 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, if the LHC does not find the Higgs boson that will be quite a win for String Theory. The Higgs boson is responsible for giving mass to the particles according to the Standard Model. String Theory explains the particles' mass in a different way.

    I am not a physicist, but I am under the impression that finding the Higgs boson would be a major setback for String Theory. So, in this way String Theory is 'testable'.

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  8. Re:Occam's Razor by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, Willam of Ockam didn't have a razor -- he had a beard. Einstein trumped Newton with a more complex theory, so the parsimony beloved by scientists doesn't always hold. But in this case, I suspect it will.

    Although it is true that sometimes the simplest explanation isn't the right one, the breakdown of Newtonian physics at relativistic speeds isn't an example of a failure of Occam's Razor. We say that the simplest explanation that fits observations tends to be the right one. Since Newton's equations don't work at relativistic speeds, it doesn't fit observations, so it's obviously incomplete. That's why it gets trumped. If relativity made the exact same predictions, then we'd say that this whole relative time and distance thing is way too complex and keep the classical view of space and time, as per Occam's Razor :)

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  9. Re:Not specific to String Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If my understanding is right, though, string theories usually predict an infinite spectrum of increasingly massive particles. What is equivalent to the standard model is the low-energy limit, where we can ignore all but a finite number of low-mass particles. Thus string theories do make predictions that are testable - namely, that we'll keep finding new particles.

    Some physicists have taken certain physical laws as axioms for something like a first-order logic.

    The great part about loop quantum gravity is that it takes tried and true principles of physics (specifically background independence) and works from there. Thus loop quantum gravity can be thought of as a somewhat "minimal" theory of quantum gravity: it takes Einstein's GR, which is well tested, based on solid principles, and has a wonderful economy in the sense that it is roughly the simplest nontrivial theory that fits those principles. This is a trait shared in many ways with LQG; this paper seems to be saying that under weak assumptions, the fundamental basis of LQG is in fact unique.

    String theory, on the other hand, keeps seeming like it has the opposite properties. It throws out the principle of background independence, instead making ad hoc assumptions about the shape of spacetime. In addition to the string particles it hypothesizes, it must add an additional object (D-branes) to give a reasonable low energy limit. In addition, the specific assumptions about the shape of spacetime give wildly different low-energy limits, and the restriction that this must match up with our experience (which is a terrible principle to base physics on) doesn't even give us a unique theory, so the "theory" is even more resistant to falsifiability, as a slightly different configuration can be pulled out to explain why the previous test failed.

    In short, LQG has going for it:
    - mathematical elegance and economy
    - strong, tested founding principles

    Whereas string theory has:
    - slightly less ugly than the standard model

  10. Re:No no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am not a physicist, but I am under the impression that finding the Higgs boson would be a major setback for String Theory.

    This is wrong. Finding a Higgs boson, or several, will not tell us anything about the validity of string theory.

    You're confusing two different effects. The masses that appear in the string spectrum -- corresponding to different vibrational states of the string -- are to lowest order integer multiples of the Planck mass. But we will never see anything but the first tier of excitations at terrestrial energy scales, so the vibrational-modes-give-different-masses part of the story isn't important. What we see at terrestrial scale are (at least according to string theorists) collective excitations of the zero mass vibrational states of the string. These collective excitation acquire effective masses through other mechanisms, including through Higgs couplings.