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School Kids Get Virtual Web Lockers

Lucas123 writes "Seventh and eighth graders in Tulsa, Oklahoma not only get tablet PCs at the beginning of the school year, but they are now issued 100MB of storage through a hosted school 'Web Locker' system. The Web lockers also include chat, calendaring, and collaboration capabilities, but school administrators can also monitor and track all files uploaded to the system, and lock out individuals for misuse."

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  1. Useless... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any eight-grader who's worth his salt will have an accessory gmail account to keep the important stuff.

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    1. Re:Useless... by thewiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      100MB?
      Most kids have thumb drives; why would they want to use 100MB of disk space that can be spied on?

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    2. Re:Useless... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "But pretty much every computer on a private network is monitored, This isn't really a new "feature" so much as a continuation of existing procedure."

      It depends on where you work. We don't monitor anything where I work - anyone stupid enough to try that would be caught out quickly enough. Its expected that people (both men and women) will hit a few porn sites every now and then. Big deal ... just don't download tons of porn all at once and swallow up all the bandwidth while everyone else is trying to work.

      Not only that - its part of the job description for some of them. They're expected to keep on top of the latest trends and technologies, and the porn industry has always been THE first mover.

      Exactly what does the school hope to accomplish by monitoring? Talk to a teacher. They'll tell you about kids in grades 2, 3 coming up to them and telling them about the pictures of penises on mommy's computer, or boobies on daddy's computer, and the parents will complain about how they can't keep their kids away from the porn sites.

      The battle to keep the kids eyes safe from the sight of T and A, while letting them watch 17,000 murders and violent crimes on TV before they're 18, was always pointless, except to those who'd rather make war, not love, and the religious right, who need an enemy so they can fleece the flock for more $$$ to "promote family values." Funny how those "family values" don't go after violence on TV.

    3. Re:Useless... by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny how those "family values" don't go after violence on TV.

      Hey!

      Violence is Gods work! Didn't you ever read the old testament??!?!?!?

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    4. Re:Useless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      killing each other of course, it's far cheaper, you pay for a funeral, but then no allowancee, no food, no tuition fees or anything to pay, and you can turn their room into a nerd room. Kids fuck, you either save nothing, or they get preggo and you have to pay for their kid too, and they probably steal your existing nerd room as a nursery. Unless you can get you daughter to fuck your son, then you at least get your nerd room, cos they can share a bedroom.

    5. Re:Useless... by Darundal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not sure about most schools, but all the schools I went to, after thumbdrives came out, started prohibiting people from using thumbdrives.

    6. Re:Useless... by badspyro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, it would
      In the past, parents let their children read all kinds of books. Horror stories, romances, hell, even the bible includes sex, rape and murder. This stuff is NORMAL for a child to see and experience. Hell, I was reading Steven king at the age of 10. A pannel member at a games development company stated that he read the exorcist at about the same age.

      As far as I can see, there is little to no difference between what children see now and what they saw in the past. The only difference is that parents can actualy tell that their children have been looking at those websites rather than them not noticeing what books the children were reading.

      (gets off high horse)

  2. Incentive? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And what's the incentive for the kids to use this solution, as opposed to the numerous free one provided, which won't have the big brother sees you problem?

    1. Re:Incentive? by KlaymenDK · · Score: 3, Funny

      Um, feeling like Ender? That's the only one I can come up with...

    2. Re:Incentive? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 4, Funny

      So it comes with an RPG whose sole purpose is to drive you insane?

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    3. Re:Incentive? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The web locker isn't just a file storage space. It's where students download assignments, upload homework, collaborate with other students, etc.

      Of course any technically clueful student will have a thumb drive, unofficial email and IM accounts, and lots of other places to stash/do stuff they don't want teachers and parents to know about. (Though not all students are technically clueful, and the school will try to prevent such unmonitored activity.) But all the stuff they're supposed to be doing will live on the official server.

      This school portal idea (which is kind of obvious/inevitable) is less interesting than the laptop program itself. There's still a lot of argument over whether laptops for this age group are a boon or a distraction.

    4. Re:Incentive? by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There wasn't an advantage to the kind of paper pad my highschool teacher required, but I used them anyway, because it was required.

      The big difference being that the school didn't have and didn't exercise a right to read through everything written on school paper. Your love poems to the girl two rows over, and which you kept at home, were kept safe, not only from her and other schoolmates, but from the teachers too. The papers they got to see, they got to see because you handed them over, not because they had automatic access.

      I think it's really bad when everything kids do is being supervised 24/7. Kids need hidey-holes and journals with a lock on. They won't ever be able to build their own identity nor handle secrets as an adult if they haven't been allowed to and trusted to keep secrets while growing up.

    5. Re:Incentive? by SamP2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, maybe the same one as when in the workplace you are given a corporate email?

      This big brother paranoia is going through the roof on /. Nobody is forcing students to use the mail/file system for their own private stuff. But just like in the workplace, where for official business you use corporate resources, in school you are given *for free* school resources to store your notes, homework, projects, or anything else school related.

      Some advantages:

      - Local storage means much faster access times than external provider
      - School bears responsibility for system upkeep - if it fails, you have a legitimate reason to not produce your homework or project that was stored or submitted there.
      - System can be integrated with class notes and announcements, and the calendar can be used as school agenda - student logs in, sees the courses he's taking, and sees the homework assigned to him in each course.
      - With login information tied to student IDs, it is much easier to track assignments and work going through the system for administration and teachers, you don't need to wonder who submitted the work coming from email s3xyb4b3@gmail.com.

      And YES, you will get in trouble if you download pr0n or pirate music using the system... Just like you would at your workplace for doing the same thing using the corporate system. If you want to send something without being monitored, don't use the school system for that particular message, just as you wouldn't use your work email unless you expect it to be monitored by your employer.

      It's very nice more schools are accepting the high-tech way of doing work. Not only it makes managing assignments much easier (meaning teachers can spend more time TEACHING and less time going through homework), but it trains children to real life, where high-tech work has already became a standard.

  3. Product Placement by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Web lockers also include chat, calendaring, and collaboration capabilities

    And, of course, a steady supply of advertising and "product placement".

    That's quite the story write-up, almost as if done by a PR writer...

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  4. ComputerWorld Shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    In case anyone was wondering, Lucas123 (the submitter) is a ComputerWorld shill. Interesting how many "stories" at Slashdot come from such obvious shills.

  5. How many megabytes? by Pollux · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the past, she said, students were only allotted 10MB of server space on the school's network. "We knew this year [students] would be creating movies and doing other things, [so] they needed a lot more space," she said.

    School admin here. This quote is just laughable. Granted, up until last year, I had my students set at 100 MB apiece. Looking at the quota log, most students could get along just fine with 25 MB, although those who have more usually just have too many pictures saved up.

    But, as soon as we started up doing a multimedia class last year using PhotoShop and Movie Maker, 100 MB was laughable. Some PS projects alone were 60-70 MB, and editing raw video requires ~200 MB per minute of video data. I upped these kids to 300 MB, and when they worked on videos, it was in a separate lab that let students save their data to the hard drives.

    I can understand the desire to have portability for students and staff, but that's what thumb drives are for. Besides, there are a number of families who still do not have online access yet.

  6. When I were a lad by Linker3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh how we struggled with the few books we had to carry home while we left unneeded ones in our lockers.

    The frustration of never a moments peace because we could read the books on the bus or train and be briefed ready to start our homework sooner, leaving more spare time that had to be filled with 'leisure activities - or - worse yet - the hassle of arranging to meet your friends and actually see them in person - heck sometimes we even shared a meal or some sodas in a local park - OUTDOORS - whole we worked together on projects!

    At the moment it's a real pain when I have to visit my 7-year-old son's school to have him show me through his project books and explain what he has been working on. Soon I may be able to login to his folder, have a quick browse and tick a box.

    Yay progress!

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  7. Re:They will WANT the control by stonecypher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These students are being taught to use a system that is ultimately not in their own interests.
    Oh for fuck's sake, it's a convenient integrated storage system for student homework to clean the process up for the teachers. This isn't an Orwellian mystery plot. It's not like having this system shuts the students out of other services. The school can't require digital homework delivery if it doesn't provide a baseline so that they know students can fall back on their system if they don't already have something.

    Grow up. Not everything is Big Brother.
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  8. The Tablet PCs seem to be much more notable to me by QunaLop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Tablet PCs start around a grand, 100MB of storage is pennies

    Tablet PCs allow students to use computers productively (and more easily) in all classes, 100 MB of storage provides ???

    Tablet PCs have (most likely) at least 40,000 MB of storage, 100 MB of storage has 100 MB of storage...

    I for one think that if teachers are taught to use the tablets effectively, they can be a boon for education, as opposed to laptops, which I find to be virtually useless in most classroom environments in current usage scenarios. I don't that online storage has any discernible benefit to any population's education either.

  9. A digital locker you can't own but must have. by Erris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This brings us one step further to losing your right to read. All they need to do is fill it with non free textbooks and tell you not to share them. If there's something everyone needs, you don't need to put it in a locker. A private space for students and computer access would be nice, but not if it's just another tool of control. Requiring the use of non free software is just the first part of that control and it's funny that one of the reasons given was the lack of reliability of the old non free software. The web already offers ways to share calendars, movies and the rest outside the control of the school.

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  10. ehh by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Tablet PC is just plain awesome. If they can get the money to do such a thing, so be it.

    But the "Locker" thing... I've seen plenty of solutions like this. All have either received negative or lukewarm reviews by students (including me). WebCT and Blackboard are the only two I can think of off-hand.

    Really, what it comes down to is that whatever content is posted on these portals (calling a spade a spade) is owned by the school district. If teachers and students post their work on the portal, the school owns it. I don't suppose people plan on putting any personal work on there.

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  11. School deploys nfs with quota by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More in-depth reporting on this amazing and lightning-paced story, as it develops!

    Wow, somebody got paid for this, as an innovative product. People's tax money was spent on a "technology" for storing files on a remote server. Does anyone else feel a feint impulse to just give up, turn evil, and start fleecing suckers like this? They're out there, and they're waving their money around, jumping up and down, yelling, "Do me! Do meeeeee!!"

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  12. Finally! by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, a virtual place that kids can keep their virtual weed when they're at school.

  13. Calling it a "virtual locker" proves you're dumb. by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Calling it a "virtual" anything is just a buzzword for the subcents.

    It's a collaboration suite.

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