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Name Your Favorite Bloat-Free Software

An anonymous reader writes "I prefer software that takes as little hard drive space and RAM as possible. I can't stand bloated software like iTunes, as compared to Foobar or classic Winamp; or Windows Media Player, as compared to VLC or Media Player Classic. What are some of your favorite applications which are a little less bloated?"

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  1. Oh! by c0l0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now that one's easy! `ed`. It's the standard editor for a reason, after all.

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    1. Re:Oh! by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      ed is a bloated mess! It's 47K for god's sake! I use cat for all of my text editing needs. At a lean 19k, it's far more efficient than ed. Hell, if you're comfortable with that much bloat, you might as well just use emacs. At least then you get an operating system included.

      As for general favorite bloat-free software, I'd have to go with /usr/bin/yes. Often I find myself needing something to tell me I'm correct about a tough decision, or to provide me motivation to do something, or just for some general personal validation. For that and more, I trust yes. Sure, some people would use more unsure methods such as researching problems, talking to themselves in a mirror, or taking action to better themselves. I'm not much of a gambler though, and I don't like to sweat. So, I use yes. Yes always gives me the answer I need, as many times as I need to hear it. Yes is the perfect solution to life's problems. Take for example the following conversation with yes:

      Should I buy that new sports car I've had my eye on? y
      Am I really a good person, even after all those felonies? y
      Should I have another beer? y
      Am I sober enough to drive? y
      Do you love me? y
      Oh yes, you little scamp, I love you too! y
      y
      y
      y
      y
      y
      y
      y
      y
      ^C

    2. Re:Oh! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, EMACS stands for 8 megs and constantly swapping. Eight Freaking Megs!!!! No editor should be that large. I mean my god what does it do? Check email?

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    3. Re:Oh! by dknj · · Score: 5, Funny

      8 megs for an operating system is pretty small...

    4. Re:Oh! by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

      When I'm using Windows, here's my selection:

      Utilities:
      7-Zip (Compression/Decompression)
      Editpad (Tabbed Notepad replacement)
      SequoiaView (Creates square treemaps of file system)

      Multimedia:
      VLC (Plays Anything)
      Exact Audio Copy (Perfect CD Ripping)
      LAME (High Quality MP3 Compression)
      Audacity (Record off Line Inputs or Loopback)

      Internet:
      uTorrent (Bittorrent)
      Firefox with FireFTP (Browswer, FTP)
      Thunderbird with WebMail (Email Client)
      TortiseSVN (Windows Shell Integration for Subversion)
      Putty (Telnet/SSH)

      Games:
      OpenArena (Open source extension of Quake 3 codebase)
      Battle of Wesnoth (Open source strategic fantasy game)

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    5. Re:Oh! by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 5, Informative

      Other nice un-bloated Windows utilities I'll add:

      V, the file viewer
      Foxit Reader for viewing PDFs
      Crimson Editor for text files, though I more often use emacs.

    6. Re:Oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pfft. I'm waiting for Apple to release iYes. Who cares that yes is tiny and does its job well? It still needs to be simplified as only Apple can. Hopefully they can add some magic playlists in there as well, and maybe throw in a little DRM for good measure.

      My machine is quad core and has 1.5TB of disk and 4GB of RAM so I think it can be safely assumed that everyone else does too...and that every application should assume it can have all of it. I mean, it's time to take these command-line utils into the modern age.

      I'm also looking for the iTrue replacement for /bin/true, as it desperately needs a GUI. And by God the fucker better be set to load into memory at start-up because I don't want to have to wait for truth.

    7. Re:Oh! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instead of utilities, I'll list some media production apps:

      Steinberg Wavelab (audio editor)
      Reaper (DAW)
      DVDFab Platinum

      I'm not a programmer, so I can't testify to the efficiency of the code or anything, but I use every single one of the features of the above programs. By that measure, it makes them the opposite of bloatware.

      Here's one that I just downloaded today, after being prompted by an earlier Slashdot article:

      Opera 9.5 (I've been using it for less than an hour and it's already my favorite browser). Maybe there's some bloat somewhere in Opera. Maybe there are some of you fiber-eaters who believe that being able to render javascript automatically makes it bloatware. But this bitch is FAST and it seemed to install in the time it took me to click the FINISH button.

      And finally, my favorite, slick tool for breaching the walls of the Corrupt Castle of the Copyright Cabal...uTorrent! It's more than just a torrent download manager, it's a weapon for fighting fascism!

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    8. Re:Oh! by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      How and why would you use more instead of ed??

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  2. At a little over a meg... by pieaholicx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PuTTy is my clear cut winner. A little over a meg for a full installer with all the bells and whistles, what's not to love?

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  3. minimalist by foodnugget · · Score: 5, Informative

    irfanview. Despite plugin capabilities, among many many other features, it is small, free, and faassssst compared to all the other image viewers I've tried (not all that many)

    I'd like to see this list include things that are conveniently free of spyware/trojans, too!

  4. Bonzi Buddy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bonzi Buddy

  5. Apple II by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    ] call -151
    * 300: ad 30 c0 20 ed fd 4c 00 03
    * 300g


    Hours of random entertainment!

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  6. Putty! by Prien715 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Putty is 412 KB for an SSH client that supports window resizing and has no installer! Doesn't hurt that it's open source either.

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  7. TinyApps.org by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.tinyapps.org/

    If you're running Windows, I also like Sumatra PDF

    http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/

    (not sure if that's listed at the former or no, which is why I specifically mention it --- the balance of my preferred small programs are)

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  8. MS Paint by IndieKid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know it's a bit crap, but I must confess to quite liking MS Paint for it's simplicity. When all you need is to crop a screendump and save it as a JPG, nothing beats it!

    Other than that, I'd second the VLC and Winamp combo. Ever since there has been iPod support in Winamp (via a plugin or 'out of the box') I haven't used anything else.

    1. Re:MS Paint by Orestesx · · Score: 5, Funny

      HIM: "I really like MS Paint for screenshots."
      YOU: "MS Paint sucks. Buy a new computer so you can take screenshots more easily"

  9. Re:Lynx? by nacturation · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who needs the bloat of Lynx when you can telnet to port 80?

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  10. My list by starrsoft · · Score: 5, Funny
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  11. Foxit by j.sanchez1 · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Foxit by GoatEnigma · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely the best de-bloating move I ever made. I was so sick of Adobe's Reader phoning home, downloading slower and slower updates with more crap, crashing my web browsers, and generally taking 30+ seconds to start up. If you've never heard of Foxit reader, I strongly recommend it!

  12. Pine, of course by zifn4b · · Score: 5, Informative

    Still the best mail client around. :)

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  13. Re:Opera by spyrochaete · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you use Windows I cannot sufficiently recommend Miranda IM. It's very lightweight (3MB download, 8MB RAM active) multi-IM client. You might call it the Foobar of Windows IM clients. It's got a fantastic community writing plugins and providing support on the official forums. The plugins are really numerous and cool too - Skype APIs, LCD display functionality, log analyzers, IM platform add-ons, out-of-office automators, a Windows uptime util, and hundreds more. It's also got great multinational localizations.

    I switched to Miranda from GAIM (which I switched to from Trillian) and I haven't regretted it for one moment. It's very snappy and responsive, it automatically resizes vertically depending on how many contacts are online, it appears and disappears with a single click of the tray icon, it auto-updates the base program as well as the plugins... I could go on and on.

    Give it a try. It's free! http://www.miranda-im.org/

  14. Re:Weird criteria by kryptkpr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I must respectfully disagree.

    I absolutely abhor the iTunes interface. It is 2nd last on my list of good music management programs, one small notch above Music Match Jukebox. Seemingly simple tasks like copying music from your hard drive to your mp3 player have to be done in roundabout ways which for some reason involve playlists. I gave up after half an hour and just installed RockBox on my Nano so I could be free from it's horrors.

    I would imagine that iTunes is great for the casual user that doesn't need nor want much MANUAL control over their music library, but for more advanced users the non-standard UI (on Windows) and strange "simplified" ways of doing simple things make it near useless.

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  15. Xvid vs. DivX by gc8005 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xvid download: 628K, simple install DivX download: 22.5MB, loads of crapware, nagging reminders to upgrade, etc.

  16. Well nobody's really chimed in with IM yet by CaptainPatent · · Score: 5, Informative

    There was someone above who mentioned Trillian, but by far my favorite pick is Pidgin IM (formerly Gaim)

    You avoid all of the bloat of AIM and MSN Messenger (which is now beyond ridiculous) plus you rid yourself of the need to install several messaging clients which further saves space and startup time plus it keeps your system tray (in windows) much cleaner. And the best part, it's available as open source for Windows and Linux!

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  17. Re:Lynx? by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 5, Funny

    the only good thing about slashdot is the comments! You must be new here.
  18. Re:I've got a summary by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would guess that whatever your favorite non-bloat software is, it is most likely in Damn Small Linux... Which suggests that Damn Small Linux is, well, somewhat bloated.
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  19. GIMP tile cache size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using GIMP, did you ever look at the setting called "Tile cache size" in Preferences / Environment? This sets the maximum amount of RAM that GIMP can use before it starts to swap some parts of images (tiles) to disk.

    You can set this value to 4 GB and GIMP will happily use as much memory as you have. And it will be much, much faster when working with large images. As a rule of thumb, you should set this value to around 80% of your available memory.

    1. Re:GIMP tile cache size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      GIMP was designed 10 years ago for UNIX systems. Many of these systems were shared by multiple users from remote displays. On a multi-user system, you do not want any application to consume 80% of the memory shared by all users.
      It is no longer 10 years ago. There are valid reasons to preserve 10-year-old design decisions, but not to preserve 10-year-old default settings! The number of people wanting to install GIMP on single-user desktops is vastly greater than the number installing it on multi-user servers; it is silly to expect the majority to reconfigure a setting chosen for the benefit of a minority.

      It is very difficult to have a portable way to know (or even guess) the amount of memory available on a machine. You need different bits of code for each operating system, and sometimes you even have to run external commands and parse their output because a non-privileged application is not allowed to get this information from the system.
      There are lots of things it's difficult to do on some platforms. That's no excuse for not doing it in cases where it's easy. Even just implementing this for Linux and Windows would solve the problem for the vast majority of GIMP users, and put a framework in place for users of more obscure operating systems to contribute solutions for their platform.

      What is "available memory" anyway? It this your total amount of RAM, the amount of RAM still unused after you boot your OS, or what is left after you start your browser and some other applications? In many cases, only the user knows in which context GIMP will be used.
      Now you're getting silly. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will assume that "available memory" is the amount of memory that is available, not your total amount of RAM. In other words, the amount of memory that is not being used by any other programs at the time that you start GIMP.

      Nobody bothered implementing good heuristics for setting the tile cache size automatically.
      Laziness is no excuse for making a program that appears, to new users, to perform much worse than it really does. Plus, I thought the whole point of this thread was that a good optimum setting (80% of available memory) is known, and the program merely stupidly defaults to a much smaller setting?

      I am sure that a patch improving the default behavior would be gladly accepted.
      I envy your optimism. Given the GIMP team's less than admirable record at accepting any attempt to improve their program (i.e. they think it's perfect already, and anyone who dares suggest an improvement is flamed to death), I sadly am unable to share it.

      No, they would merely reject any patches on one of the spurious grounds you have noted above: that the submitter had not fixed the problem on Irix (so they would refuse to fix it for 99% of users), or the patch would make things worse on multi-user systems (so they would refuse to fix it for 80% of users), or the submitter had not proven beyond a shadow of doubt that he had found a completely optimal strategy (so they would refuse to make it considerably better). Let's be honest - the GIMP developers do not care about end users, they only care about massaging their own egos and pretending that GIMP is a serious competitor to Photoshop.
  20. Re:Is it just me? by swordgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just you--in fact, it's far too many of "you," and you're wrong.

    There are two reasons for bloat: Accidental (i.e. shitty programming) and deliberate (adding pointless features.) By buying into the "let's just throw money at it until the problem goes away" mentality, you're encouraging bad programming and endless marketing-driven upgrades. It's a hundred bucks on RAM now, another hundred on a new hard drive, and then next year it'll be a new CPU. You're going to end up spending about $500-1000 per year on maintaining the same level of productivity as you've always had. This is key!

    Windows 2000 required a 133MHz processor and 64MB RAM.
    Windows XP required a 233MHz processor and 128MB RAM. The ONLY FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE between them was the thumbnail view mode. Everything else was eyecandy and toys, but it wasn't a huge upgrade cost.
    Windows Vista requires a 1GHz processor, 512MB RAM, a DirectX 9-compliant video card, and an internet connection. Oh yeah, and TEN TIMES as much disk space. Now what extra value does Vista provide to you, the end customer? What advantage does Vista give you over XP?

    Consider Office suites. Office 97 ran on a 486, with 12MB RAM for all features. Office 2007 now requires a 500MHz processor and 256MB RAM, and contains very few features that weren't already in Office 97. Moreso, only a tiny fraction of those features are actually used by any appreciable chunk of the population.

    The ONLY REASON to keep writing bloated software is to make you constantly spend more money staying exactly where you are, and your answer is to reward them by spending that money. Bloatware is capitalism gone wrong. It's forced consumption (and the forced aspect is getting worse with OSes now requiring online license activation and continued polling), and so much of the population is EAGER beyond words to consume while getting no value.

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