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"Spooky" Science Points Towards Quantum Computing

Stony Stevenson writes to tell us that University of Michigan physicists have been able to establish an "entanglement" between two atoms trapped more than a meter apart in different enclosures using light. This shows how two different atoms can have a sort of communication, something Einstein referred to as 'spooky action-at-a-distance'. "By manipulating the photons emitted from each of the two atoms and guiding them to interact along a fibre-optic thread, the researchers were able to detect the resulting photon clicks and entangle the atoms. Professor Monroe explained that the fibre-optic thread was necessary to establish entanglement of the atoms. But the fibre could be severed and the two atoms would remain entangled, even if one were 'carefully taken to Jupiter'."

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  1. Entanglement and causality? by Ckwop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My arm-chair understand of Entanglement suggests that it should violate causality. Consider the following thought experiment.

    We have two pairs of quantum mechanically entangled electrons. We sent a single electron from each pair five light minutes in to space. A long with a small machine that measures that's designed to react when it an electron comes "de-entangled". When it senses this, it immediately the spin of the electron in the other pair.

    Here on earth we have a Tsar Bombe linked to one of the electrons from one of the pairs. Five meters away, the other electron is linked to a button. When a person presses the button, it measures one of the electron, thus breaking its entanglement. That instantly breaks the entanglement of the other electron live light minutes away. The machine then breaks the entanglement of the other pair thus instantly triggering the Tsar Bombe destroying the hut and everything in 100 Sq miles.

    The problem is that, as I understand it, this would happen ten minutes before I press the button. Whoops! You see, when I de-entangle the first electron the disentanglement on the other side happens five minutes in my past. When the machine disentangles the second electron, the other electron is five minutes in its past. Totalling to ten minutes. Can you see what I'm getting at? I'm assuming this argument isn't new - What mistake have I made here?

    Simon.

    1. Re:Entanglement and causality? by renoX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >You can't violate causality, even with quantum entanglement.

      And IMHO, that's the 'weirdest' part: an interaction which an instantaneous non-local effect *but* that cannot be used to communicate faster than C??

      Strange, very strange.

    2. Re:Entanglement and causality? by Graff · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My arm-chair understand of Entanglement suggests that it should violate causality. Quantum entanglement can't violate causality. The reason for this is that entanglement can't transmit information alone, it needs to be performed in conjunction with a classical, non-entangled information channel. This is explained in the No-Communication Theorem. It boils down to the fact that you can't tell the difference between random fluctuations in the particles and the signal you are trying to transmit, in order to separate the two you need to transmit some additional information by classical means. Take a look at this discussion on quantum teleportation.

      The end result is that information transmitted through entanglement travels at the fastest speed allowed by conventional means. Until we create a warp drive that limit is the speed of light.
    3. Re:Entanglement and causality? by scribblej · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People think Quantum Physics is spooky, but I don't get it -- I really don't. Can anyone please explain to me (or point me at a link) that will tell me how this is any different than having two billiard balls, one is red and one is blue. Without looking at them, you put them both into boxes and ship them off to opposite sides of the globe. Now, one box is opened, and the ball is blue. So you know when the other box is opened, the ball they got will be red.

      That's not spooky, bizarre, or even strange. It's not counterintuitive. So how is it different than quantum entanglement? I do not know, but I would like to.

  2. Entanglement and black holes... by DESADE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always wondered if we would one day be able to use entangled photons to peer beyond the event of a black hole. Keep one particle in an observable state and send one through the black hole. Something is bound to happen and it might give us some insight into what exists beyond the event horizon. This experiment sounds like a step toward that possibility.

    1. Re:Entanglement and black holes... by Verteiron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with that idea is that, as I understand it, you'd have to wait the age of the universe before you got a result. As you approach the event horizon of a black hole, you experience ever-increasing relativistic time dilation; time passes normally for you, but the rest of the universe appears to be speeding up. To an outside observer, you're playing out a modern example of Xeno's paradox; the closer you get to the event horizon, the less distance you are covering.

      So when you drop your entangled photon into the black hole, you're going to have a -loooooong- wait before it passes the event horizon.

      Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, my knowledge of the subject comes largely from science fiction and Discover magazine.

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      End of lesson. You may press the button.
  3. The big problem with entanglement. by ttapper04 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To receive a signal you have to measure something. That can be ones and zeros streaming from a wire or light scattering off a distant smoke signal. To make a measurement you have to collapse the wave function. Once the wave function is to more, you have no chance of sending anything else. So maybe we could send a single bit with a single entangled state. Perhaps the trick would be to get a whole lot of them. The fact that the universe is self consistent lends credibility to causality.

  4. Re:Someone explain this to me... by chill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The tugging of the rigid wire isn't an instantaneous transfer of motion. Each atom must tug on the one next to it, etc. At no time does this transfer of motion exceed the speed of light.

    BTW, I've heard this question posed more often as a pair of scissors with the blades as long as the Solar System. Close the short end and the tips should be moving faster than light. Except they don't, because as you get further out to the tips it requires more and more energy to move them faster. They'll get close, but never exceed c.

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    Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
  5. blood flow trauma by epine · · Score: 3, Interesting


    The "faster than the speed of light" thing surprises me. Not because of how c functions in relationship to matter and energy, but because the physicists, whose discipline has now had a full 100 years to digest these complexities, and personally, eight or more years of post-secondary education hammering home the need to state things carefully, fail to state that the fact of the violation of the speed of light for an effect can not itself be established at faster than the speed of light.

    Two physicists in a similar reference frame measure two entangled particles in different light cones (any interaction would therefore need to travel faster than ligth). The entanglement effect says that if one measures red, the other measures blue. How do they confirm this? The information about their measurements must travel *at the speed of light* until information from the distinct measurements meets up. At *this point in time* they know if the entaglement effect conformed with theory or did not conform with theory. They can't posssibly determine this conclusion faster than the speed of light between the positions where the measurements were taken.

    It interests me that the effect can travel faster than light, but the conclusion about the effect can not, yet I've never seen a physicist discuss this. The discussion always goes entanglement, faster than light, spooky, bada bing. It's possible that the entanglement effect doesn't resolve itself until information about the two experimental measurements (which converges in obedience with the speed of light) actually meets up. Perhaps the disentanglement takes place only *after* the results of the two experiments meets up. That would involve the experiment (and experimenters) having become entangled in the experiment. Weird? In the realm of the very tiny, that's never stopped mother nature before.

    On a related point, I've never seen a physicist comment on whether it is possible to take two particles of unknown histories and prove they are not entangled. I suspect this can only be done by taking measurements which shuffle the quantum deck. Entangled particles are always introduced as an exceptional state of matter, produced painstakingly only in laboratory equipment for the purpose of conducting this experiment.

    Is it not possible that most of the particles in the universe are entangled with most of the other particles of the universe? If there is no physical demonstration that two particles *are not* entangled, on what basis could you answer "no"? As a simpler case, is it possible to construct three particles A, AB, and B where AB is entangled with both A and B?

    It just bugs me that the typical account of this effect rarely gets past the word spooky before exposition ceases, as if the very phrase "faster than light" causes some kind of cerebral blood flow trauma in any person who has devoted eight years of higher education in grappling with the consequences of E=mc^2.