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Judge Kimball Strikes SCO's Jury Trial Demand

watchingeyes writes "In a ruling on various pre-trial motions in limine and other, similar motions in the SCO vs Novell case, Judge Kimball today issued a ruling striking SCO's demand for a jury trial, ruling that Novell's claims seek equitable, and not legal relief. In addition, he denied SCO's request for entry of judgment that would allow them to appeal his ruling on the UNIX copyrights and Novell's waiver rights, ruling that if SCO wants to appeal any of his rulings, it can do them all at once after trial. He also granted Novell's request to voluntarily dismiss its own breach of contract claim, denied SCO's motion to exclude press coverage and evidence from the IBM case, granted Novell's motion in limine preventing SCO from contesting his summary judgment ruling at trial, granted Novell's second motion in limine preventing SCO from arguing that SCOsource licenses that license SVRx only incidentally aren't SVRx licenses, denied another SCO motion in limine which improperly asked the Judge to issue rulings on contractual issues and denied Novell's final motion in limine which sought to prevent SCO from contesting Novell's apportionment of royalties analysis. Looks like SCO will be facing a trial in-front of a judge which has already ruled against them numerous times."

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  1. Interpretation by inode_buddha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interpretation: SCO screwed themselves. If one has been following the case all along, this should be no surprise.

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    1. Re:Interpretation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shorter interpretation: M-M-M-M-Monster Kill!!

    2. Re:Interpretation by AJWM · · Score: 5, Informative

      I remember back when SCO provided a decent PC-based version of UNIX..

      You're probably thinking of the Santa Cruz Operation, not these bozos at Caldera doing business as The SCO Group, after they bought Santa Cruz's Unix business and Santa Cruz changed its name to Tarantella.

      SCOG (The SCO Group aka Caldera) has deliberately blurred this distinction all along.

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  2. Poor, Poor SCO by Scottoest · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO is an exceptional software company, and I personally feel their legal claims are on solid... ...hahahahahahaha...

    Damnit, I can never get through that sentence without laughing.

    Hang em out to dry, Your Honor.

    - Scott

    1. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by Orange+Crush · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't they have a right to a jury trial?

      Sure they do. They just need a case first.

    2. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by qcomp · · Score: 5, Informative

      IANAL, but as explained in Novell's motion (and in the ruling, I suppose), the right to jury trial exists only for certain types of legal proceedings, in particular, it does not apply if it's about contracts (presumably, because it would be too difficult for laypersons to understand the intricacies involved) and if the damages asked for are equitable only (not, e.g. punitive). And Novell did drop one of its claims (and SCO moved unsuccessfully not to allow it to) to make the damages at issue fit the bill.
      So I do think SCO are treated fairly here.

    3. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by Pad-Lok · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why, did they murder someone?

      Yea, themselves.

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    4. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by jobsagoodun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Depends

      From what I can work out, they only need a jury to decide if there is a dispute about the "facts" or if Novell were asking for punative damages. It seems that for the claims made, no facts are disputed, and Novell dropped their claim for special damages. All that left are decisions about the Law, and Judge Kimball gets to do that without a jury.

      The facts of the case are the contracts etc. Both sides agree on the text of those, but the interpretation is a legal one and thats down to JK.

    5. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Funny

      the interpretation is a legal one and thats down to JK.
       
      Rowling?
       
      SCO Wizard School: Ok children, watch closely as I wave my magic wand and *poof* watch all of that free cash roll in!
       
        Oops.Misfire...

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    6. Re:Poor, Poor SCO by jbengt · · Score: 3, Informative

      "hey only need a jury to decide if there is a dispute about the "facts" or if Novell were asking for punative damages"
      Almost,
      They could insist on a jury if it were a matter of law, like punitive damages, but it is only matter of equity, that is, make me whole by payin what you owe. Novell dropped the punitive damages so they could avoid a jury. There still is a matter of fact in dispute, that is, how much of the Sun and MS licenses were SysV, for which SCOX must remit to Novell in full in return for a 5% fee, and how much were for other things, for which SCOX should not owe anything to Novell.

  3. SCO - the Monty Python Black Knight by tjstork · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Aye, you chopped my legal arm off! No big deal! Have at you!"

    "Aye, you chopped my legal legs off! No big deal! I can still hop! Have at you!"

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  4. Re:english not good enough by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    America may have many things wrong with it, but in this case (pun intended) it's very nice to see a sitting judge wield a powered nail-gun with such accuracy.

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  5. Re:english not good enough by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    In limine means 'at the threshold'. It's a type of motion that's filed right before a trial is set to start, usually to have the judge rule on which evidence to include or exclude.

    For those not understanding what's going on: Kimball ruled that the copyrights on UNIX System V don't belong to SCO, they belong to Novell, because the Asset Purchase Agreement, signed between Novell and Santa Cruz never transferred the copyrights, just the business. Santa Cruz was to collect UNIX royalties for SVR5 for Novell and keep a portion for themselves in exchange. The SCO Group stopped paying Novell for UNIX sometime ago, and Novell wants its money.

    Now if SCO doesn't own the UNIX copyrights, then how can they sue IBM? The answer is, they can't, especially since Novell told them they can't. Now SCO wants to appeal this decision before the Novell trial is over so they can still sue IBM. And they want any evidence from the IBM trial to not be used in the Novell trial (they filed a similar motion in the IBM trial). And Kimball said "No, and no."

    In short: SCO is screwed. After Novell is through with them, if anything is left, IBM will launch its Lanham Act claims against SCO and there will be a smokin' hole in Linden, Utah, where SCO HQ used to be.

  6. One-armed man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO should have blamed everything on a one-armed man; Kimball would have been much more sympathetic.

  7. Re:english not good enough by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In short: SCO is screwed. After Novell is through with them, if anything is left, IBM will launch its Lanham Act claims against SCO and there will be a smokin' hole in Linden, Utah, where SCO HQ used to be.

    I want to see them go and pierce the "corporate veil" and go after the source of the money SCO used to bankroll the lawsui^H^H^H^H^H^Hscam... I want to know who the real "PIPE Fairy" is... we all suspect Microsoft, but I want to see hard evidence that can be used against Microsoft.

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  8. Re:english not good enough by Aim+Here · · Score: 5, Informative

    "motion in limine" == a motion before a trial regarding what evidence is allowed to be shown to a jury

    "equitable relief" == court-ordered restitution of property, as opposed to fines and punishments. Suing someone to enforce a contract they signed or pay back money they owe you is equitable relief, as opposed to suing them for punitive damages, which is a legal matter. The relevancy here is that equitable matters don't warrant a jury trial, whereas legal ones do.

    "waiver" == A formal way of stating that you, or someone acting on your behalf, will not enforce one of your (or their) rights. In this case, Novell issued a waiver on behalf of SCO over whatever it was that SCO was suing IBM over (Normally you can't waive someone else's rights like this, but SCO signed a contract that allowed Novell to do just that)

    "dismiss" == to throw a court claim out and not hear it.

    "summary judgment" == A judgement on a claim instead of an actual trial, because there was no disputed evidence to hear, so the Judge could rule on it immediately.

    It's bad for SCO, this ruling; it doesn't get to bamboozle a fresh naïve jury but instead gets one of the two judges they've been irritating for the past 4 years, so that's it's next-to-last hope for a favourable ruling out the window. The only ray of hope is that it might be able to use some new evidence out to show that whatever Microsoft and Sun paid for wasn't the stuff that Novell was recently ruled to have owned. But it'll be fighting against it's own public statements and anything it's said in other courtrooms, so it's chances are slimmer than slim...

  9. No! by Skapare · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hang em out to dry, Your Honor.

    Isn't there some EPA regulation against this?

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  10. Maybe the most important remaining issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One question that will be settled at trial is apportionment. That is, how much of the money paid by Microsoft and Sun belongs to Novell. The judge has clearly said that some of the money belongs to Novell. The best SCO can do is argue that it is a very small amount.

    SCO's problem is that they basically told the SEC that all the money belongs to Novell. SCO tried to have that evidence excluded but failed.

    It is likely that Novell will get more than 50% of the money. The judge will grant a constructive trust. SCO will be immediately bankrupt. The trustee will march in and kick the current SCO management out. The trustee will agree to anything the creditors (IBM, Novell mainly) tell him. The cases will end immediately.

    AllParadox, a retired lawyer who has been following the case closely, predicts that Judge K. will issue an order sanctioning SCO's lawyers. Some of them could end up being disbarred. It will serve them right. This case has been an incredible misuse of the courts.

    1. Re:Maybe the most important remaining issue by keraneuology · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AllParadox, a retired lawyer who has been following the case closely, predicts that Judge K. will issue an order sanctioning SCO's lawyers. Some of them could end up being disbarred . It will serve them right. This case has been an incredible misuse of the courts.

      One can only hope, but this is very unlikely. The legal system is loathe to expel their own - when judge Susan Chrzanowski was caught having an affair with a defense attorney who was a) pleading cases before her b) given a virtual monopoly on court-appointed indigent cases, c) murdered his wife the day after having yet another sexual rendezvous with the judge and the judge was caught in several lies regarding her involvement her only punishment was 17 months paid "vacation" (they called it a suspension, but she collected around $200,000 and full benefits), six months unpaid leave, and instead of being disbarred was allowed to return to the bench. Retired state justice Charles Levin who oversaw Susan's review originally ruled that she had done nothing whatsoever that merited punishment.

      If cases like this don't merit any punishment from the ranks of the legal system, why would a couple of lawyers playing hardball in a case that most americans don't understand or care about be prohibited from paying more dues to the various lawyer associations?

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  11. justice by SolusSD · · Score: 3, Funny

    well the system works.. but in O(2^n) time with O(n!) cost. ugh.. DIE ALREADY.

  12. Re:Here's an example by keraneuology · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes, Nifong was disbarred, but this is a rarity and involved a case that was front-page news across the country for months. What % of the national population knew about the Duke lacrosse incident? What % have ever heard of SCO? What % know that SCO, IBM and Novell are all in the same industry? If Nifong hadn't been disbarred then the profession would have taken a major black eye. If the attorneys involved in this case aren't disbarred, who - outside of /. readers - would know or even care?

    I have my own personal feelings here - not only should the lawyers be kicked out but their masters should be personally punished. If your dog bites somebody on your command then you'd better believe that you'll face the music. If you are a corporate exec who issues the sic 'em command to your lawyer then you had better be ready to face the music. Personally.

    But my personal thoughts are irrelevant, and these lawyers are likely to get nothing more than a slap on the wrist. In fact, in Michigan (and probably many other states) a lawyer is held responsible if he doesn't pursue a case to the utmost, and bringing about frivolous charges are just part of the game. How many cases are filed alleging racial discrimination where there is clearly zero evidence, let alone plausibility that it ever happened? Those lawyers are never punished for making false allegations, if the charges don't stick then all of the lawyers and judges say "oh well, no harm in trying".

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