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Ohio Court Admits Lie Detector Tests As Evidence

An anonymous reader writes "Last month, an Ohio court set a new precedent by allowing polygraph test results to be entered as evidence in a criminal trial. Do lie detectors really belong in the court room? AntiPolygraph.org critiques the polygraph evidence from the this precedential case (Ohio v. Sharma)."

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  1. Lie Dectectors will persist... by bossesjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as long as people are still searching for some magical way to get the truth out of somebody. Won't happen short of the next fifty years of neurological research.

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  2. Re:Ohio, eh? by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was thinking about moving to a different State, but hadn't figured out which one. Now I'm down to 49 possibilities.

    Given your subject line of "Ohio, eh?" and you're moving to a different state, and that you're down to 49 possibilities, I can only conclude you're one of those that view Canada as the 51st state. Come on up, we've got plenty of room, beer, and freshly-clubbed baby seals to go around. You do like hockey, eh?
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  3. Weight vs admissibility by deblau · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Getting evidence admitted is one thing, but getting a jury to believe it or give it any weight or credibility is something else entirely.

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    1. Re:Weight vs admissibility by Elemenope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's fantastic! That means only people who can't afford better lawyers than the schmucks on TV will be imprisoned, and who cares about them, anyway?

      But, to lose the sarcasm for a moment, most defendant protections in criminal law were developed so as to defend even the indigent, since they are the most vulnerable to unfairness seeing as how their lawyers either suck or are overworked (or both). If a method of obtaining evidence is bad enough that a decently trained lawyer can demonstrate its utter ridiculousness, it does not belong in a courtroom in the first place. The competence of the defendant's lawyer should not be depended upon as the single fail-safe employed to determine whether a person should be deprived of their freedom.

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    2. Re:Weight vs admissibility by All_One_Mind · · Score: 5, Informative
      I failed a polygraph when I was telling the truth. I was looking at 14 years in prison, so the pressure was intense and I was nervous as fuck. The end result: The polygraph said I was lying about not shooting some guy I had never met in the face.

      I can't even imagine what would've happened if that would've been considered "evidence" admissible in court. I'd probably be in prison right now.

  4. Lie detectors are very unreliable by slashqwerty · · Score: 5, Informative
    The most common lie detector, the control question test, takes a set of baseline readings where the suspect is expected to tell the truth on some questions and lie on others. It then compares those results to the questions the examiner is most interested in. These tests have been shown to product accurate results about 65% of the time (that's per person tested).

    Professional polygraphers will claim their test works 96% of the time. Those claims are bald-faced lies. Regardless of that we can take a look at what happens if the test really did work 96% of the time.

    Some employers have been known to hire polygraphers to identify which employee may have been involved in some inside theft (or similar situation). The employer asks the polygrapher to test 50 employees. The odds that the tests will be correct with all 50 employees is 0.96^50=13%. So there is an 87% chance the test will accuse an innocent person...and that assumes the test is correct 96% of the time. What invariably happens is the polygrapher 'discovers' the culprit after the first few tests, packs up his things, and goes home. He identifies the suspect so quickly because the test is only right 65% of the time. Whether the accuracy is 65% of 96% the test will still point to a suspect even if none of the employees did anything wrong.

  5. Re:Accuracy as against usefulness by Kandenshi · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are policing agencies out there who already do similar things. Despite it's absense, they may explain that there's incontrevertible evidence that shows that the suspect is guitly, they just want a confession so that the trial goes faster and with less fuss/humiliation for others/etc...

    Turns out that one can get a fairly large number of confessions that way, much like you apparently desire. The problem is, it's not all THAT uncommon for the confessions to be lies. Innocent people will lie and confess to horrible, horrible crimes. And a confession given to a jury is a really really good predictor of them finding the defendent guitly. Even if there's little to no other evidence. People tend to believe confessions, which is sort of confusing since they have to reconcile the idea that "this is a dangerous lunatic with no morals and a willingness to kill" against "this is an honest man, who will condemn himself to jail by giving a confession". Still, they manage it.

    Feel free to read a bit more about the subject of false confessions here, on some webnotes for a college class here or even here(this last one is perhaps more likely to cherrypick it's evidence, but what it says appears to be true).

    False confessions are a rather worrying thing to me, as once a person confesses, the police have a tendency to cease looking for other potential guilty parties. While it's possible some other person will eventually be found guilty and you get released, it's not really something that The System tries for. Makes 'em look bad if they accidentally put someone in jail and gave 'em a whole bunch of publicity as a convicted rapist.