Police Busted When Tracking Device Found On Car

uh oh notes a story from Down Under where a police investigation came to a screeching halt as a man being investigated by the police found tracking devices in two of his cars, ripped them out, and listed them on an auction site. "Ralph Williams, of Cromwell, said he found the devices last week in his daughter's car, which he uses, and in his flatmate's car after the cars were seized by police and taken away for investigation."

Comments

Re:Sue the police?

[Anonymous Coward]

And what kind of law requires a warrent to do something, except when the police are claiming they are in a hurry and don't need a warrent if they think the judge will be on their side?

You do realize that the US has very similar rules of evidence, right? That whole 'exigent circumstances' thing? There are similar rules for FISA wiretaps, even before this whole NSA scandal thing, in that DHS could have tapped someone's phone then gone and gotten a warrent retrospectively.

It's more limited than the scope of this law seems to be, but the idea is by no means absent from the US legal system.

Ralph Williams arrested for 'Theft of Property'

[isaac]

The subject in this case, Ralph Williams, has been arrested for theft of property. See http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1336811 for a more recent article.

I suppose the police will argue that listing the items as police bugs on an auction site shows awareness that the bugs weren't his to sell. Thus, he'd "stolen" them by their logic.

Mr. Williams' day in court promises to be interesting...

-Isaac

Re:Fascist Police tactics not so funny

[Lenbok]

I mean that puts Australia more towards the Fascist end of the scale than even the US doesn't it?
(and that's hard to do)

FYI, the article is referring to New Zealand, which is not yet a state of Australia.

Re:Fascist Police tactics not so funny

[Jeremy_Bee]

My apologies to Australia, I misread that part.

Re:they will become mandatory sometime too

[nasor]

And as I recall, the judge in that particular case only ruled against using OnStar to eavesdrop because it interfered with the proper operation of the OnStar communicator, so that if the drivers had experienced some sort of emergency they wouldn't have been able to use it to call for help - much like the police bugging your phone in a way that prevents you from being able to call 911. It didn't have anything to do with the eavesdropping being objectionable to the courts in principle.

Re:Good going from the PR dept.

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe somebody at the police station where he picked up the cars was careless with inventory, and he swiped a couple.

Maybe:
"A Cromwell man who found police surveillance gear in two cars they returned to him has been arrested for theft of property.".

Re:Why sell them? Then you admit they were there..

[Technician]

"He's running for it! He's heading for Texas! Stop him!"

From Google Maps;

"We could not calculate driving directions between New Zealand and Dallas Texas."

Maybe Mapquest could do better..

Re:Can you legally sell them

[gronofer]

Or flush it down a fast intercity train's toilet in a waterproof bag. Watch them try to chase it at 120 mph.

Unfortunately, fast intercity trains don't exist in NZ. He'd be better off tying it to the back of a sheep.

Re:Can you legally sell them

[putaro]

The problem with that philosophy is who gets to classify someone as reasonable?

Strangely enough, in the American system, the courts do. Many laws are based around what a "reasonable" person would do with the interpretation of reasonable being left up to the courts. It's impossible to write laws that take into account all possible situations. That's why we have a judicial system which as the job of interpreting the laws and applying them to real life situations.