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HD VMD Shows Up Late For the Format War

Fishead writes "As the fight heats up between HD DVD and Blu-ray, and as consumers seem to care less and less, a new contender has entered the fray. Next month, New Medium Enterprises will be selling a 1080p player through Amazon and stores such as Radio Shack and Costco for around $150 — half what the cheapest HD DVD player costs, and a quarter the cost of a low-end Blu-ray. The difference this new HD VMD (Versatile Multilayer Disc) format brings is that the discs are created with the same (cheap) red laser as DVDs. From the article: 'HD VMD discs, which hold up to 30GB on a single side, are encoded with a maximum bit rate of 40 megabits per second... between HD DVD's 36 Mpbs and Blu-ray's 48 Mbps. The format uses MPEG-2 and VC1 video formats to encode at 1080p resolution for the time being, and will possibly move to the H.264 format in the future.'"

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  1. I don't care about HD Video... by Perseid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but I do want a cheap burner I can throw 30GB at. Sell THAT to me at $150 and I'll buy.

    1. Re:I don't care about HD Video... by terjeber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is too easy.

      - The world will never need more than 4 or 5 computers.
      - Nobody will ever need more than 640K of memory.
      - We can close all patents offices now, everything is invented (ca 1890)

      You can go on and on. I do HD video with my very inexpensive HD camcorder. 30G is nothing. Nothing at all.

  2. Sounds good... by exploder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...but how many giant media corporations are behind it? None? Bummer.

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    1. Re:Sounds good... by NevarMore · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As another responder mentioned the porn moguls aren't too pleased with either Blu-Ray or HD.

      This probably won't work in the US, Europe, or the Far East. However the one interesting bit from the article that I would like to know more about is that Bollywood might be interested in this. Though not as large as the Western movie market it is still a huge group of people to sell to and that group is probably excluded from the other HD formats because of price and piracy concerns.

      So I say, bring me my 1080 Indian porno!!!

  3. Poor Sony by psychicsword · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony just pissed themselves.

    $487.99 for Blue-ray Vs. $150... wonder who will win that aspect to the format war?
    The only thing that may limit this format is whether the movie companies will pick it up, and more importantly the porn industry.

    1. Re:Poor Sony by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Can we give up that stupid porn argument yet? I've posted this more than once, but that keeps coming up. Porn will not decide the new format.

      First, when VHS and Beta appeared, the only real way to see porn films was in a XXX theater. You couldn't watch them in the privacy of your home.

      Today, I can watch porn on VHS, or DVD. Or pay-per-view. Or satellite. Or the 'net. Or video-CD. Or I could play a porn related video game. Porn helped VHS because it was really the first time you could watch porn in the privacy of your home, so the inability to do that on Beta was big. That's not an issue today.

      Please, can we just drop that stupid argument? It doesn't hold much water any more.

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    2. Re:Poor Sony by urbanriot · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Just because you keep posting, doesn't make your opinion true, or make the argument hold any less water.

      Regardless, the point is moot, since porn *is* being released on BD with the first release being Debbie Does Dallas. Since the porn industry generated considerable amounts of media attention, the BDA has relented.

      Can we give up that stupid porn argument yet? I've posted this more than once, but that keeps coming up. Porn will not decide the new format.

      First, when VHS and Beta appeared, the only real way to see porn films was in a XXX theater. You couldn't watch them in the privacy of your home.

      Today, I can watch porn on VHS, or DVD. Or pay-per-view. Or satellite. Or the 'net. Or video-CD. Or I could play a porn related video game. Porn helped VHS because it was really the first time you could watch porn in the privacy of your home, so the inability to do that on Beta was big. That's not an issue today.

      Please, can we just drop that stupid argument? It doesn't hold much water any more.

  4. Re:Fourth by Perseid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ooh! The same crap with MORE DRM on it? Sign me up...or not.

  5. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...how bad is its DRM? That's really the only thing I care about. Whichever format will give me - a paying customer - the freedom to do what I want with my movies will get my money. If none do, I'm sticking with regular DVDs.

  6. Will there be content? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's the core question. Will there be any content for this player? Will the studios release content for it?

    The only other chance, if the studios don't jump onto it, is to squeeze out a writer for it quickly and make this the next big thing in computer storage and HD content copying. If it can hold a full HD movie, people who don't care too much about DRM or buying content will be very interested in it. Then, and only then, you can get a standard into the market without the support of the content providers.

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  7. Whoever fight, we already know who has won.... by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    who will win that aspect to the format war?


    Be it BlueRay, be it HD-DVD, or HD VMD, or chinese EVD.
    We don't give a fuck about who battling against who on the market.

    We already know who won the battle :
    - the unknown noname chinese hardware maker who'll market a cheap plastic reader, that'll read anything you'll put in it and that'll cost only a few dozens of .
    Seriously.

    whether the movie companies will pick it up


    No, the only thing that will matter is if the cheap hardware maker will pick it up.

    Last time, the whole DVD "plus" RW vs. DVD "minus" RW vs. DVD-RAM debate was made pointless once asian makers started to push multi format burners.

    Before thatm the DVD (the hidef format) vs. SuperVCD (the cheaper with older hardware) vs. DivX (the internet alternative) was made obsolete now that you can pick-up a DVD/MP3/MPEG-4 reader for less than 50$ at your local store.

    The exact same story will repeat it self the next few years with the HD format war. While marketoid will go at great lenght arguing which is better between BlueRay and HD-DVD and while you should pick *their* technology because most of the studio are backing *that one*, the public will quietly stand back, enjoy the fight, and wait patiently until cheap multi-format reader appear.

    LG and Samsung have such movie players and media burners coming to their products line-up and others companies are to follow. The cheap brandless aren't far away.
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  8. Whoever puts out a cheap recorder wins by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once these recording devices make it into the hands of legislators and judges, nothing can stop them. Think about how RIM survived the injunction order. There were so many congress people and senators using crackberry, that nothing could shut them down. And if someone were to create better home recorders with the new "old" technology, no amount of lobbying, donating or influencing will force them out... now if we could just get this technology into the hands of legislators fast enough...

  9. It all comes down to $$$ by D.A.+Zollinger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am of the impression that uninformed consumers do not concern themselves with technical details, and are far more motivated by cost. I believe this is why VHS won out over Beta, and why HD VMD will destroy both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats.

    While movie studios will want DRM on their disks, ultimately they desire sales, and will go with whatever format dominates the marketplace, no matter how much or little DRM is in place. However, as the article mentions that the $150 player comes with HDMI, I suspect they have comparable DRM to the other HD competitors.

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  10. Re:Fourth by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sad times when the discussion about the media and file format is more interesting than the content that they carry.

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  11. Re:Waste of time by Kuciwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the FUCK. Paragraphs, please.