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No More TV Listings For MythTV Users

Posted by kdawson on from the elephino-what's-on dept.

Ryan Brown writes "As of September 1, the free XML TV guide service at zap2it labs has shut its doors due to misuse issues, as well as internal business issues. Now that Linux users, and most PVR users for that matter, are nearing the end of their last fetched TV guide, what free alternatives exist that can replace this much-needed service?"

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  1. That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'll just pay for the service, and create a simple proxy script that grabs the crap through my subscription for however many friends I have that want to use it.

    1. Re:That's easy by gral · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Schedules Direct site is setup as a Non Profit. They are running it like a co op. The more people sign up, the lower the price for everyone. There express purpose is to get the price down to $20 a year for the service. They have to pay for the schedules from Zap2It, just like everyone else. It is a set fee, and Schedules Direct doesn't know yet exactly how much it is going to cost to provide the service.

      I actually "Appreciated" what Zap2It did, and stated several times on their survey they should be charging a little to offset the cost.

      I now have my Schedules Direct service setup, with NO loss of schedule. Very seemless. I don't use MythTV because it is Free as in beer, I use it because it is a pretty damn good system for what I want it for. Paying a small amount for something that would take me awhile to program myself, or scrap from a site, makes sense to me.

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      Scott Carr
    2. Re:That's easy by Scott+Atkinson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Couldn't agree more.

      I'm the news director of a small tv station in upstate New York, and I can back what some other posters have noted.

      There is significant (well, as significant as tv gets...) work at the tv station end in compiling and - most of all - updating schedules. I'm guessing it's half of our program director's work week.

      There are only a couple of big companies in the schedule game at this point, and my impression is that their money is in keeping everything compiled, updated and orderly - the 'writ large' version of what we do.

      So the schedules direct service (which I immediately signed up for, btw) strikes me as a good community solution for keeping a superior dvr, MythTV, from suffering a big setback.

      So it's not free as in beer - it does strengthen something that is, and free in other important ways as well.

      Scott Atkinson
      WWNY TV
      Watertown NY

      edit - In some part of the threads on this topic, someone opines that broadcasters don't want this because MythTV lets you easily skip commercials and - evil people that we are - we want to head that off at the pass.

      Fergit' it. The issue of commercial skipping is too far removed from what we deal with day to day to influence our decisions, (in other words, we don't see the consequences in the bottom line in any way we can measure)and besides, it's not clear that dvrs lead to large scale commercial skipping.

  2. Meh by biafra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not only MythTV users, but people like me using a Replay TV in countries such as Canada are now SOL as well. This sucks, I hope a alternative I can pay for shows up soon.

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    :wq
  3. Pay for SchedulesDirect--they're good people by Noksagt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Suck it up and use Schedules Direct just like everyone else. It isn't free. The opening cost is $15/3 month (with a 7 day trial). However, compiling schedules is not free. SD purchases them Tribune Media Services. But SD is a nonprofit company & they are free/open source friendly, having been formed by people involved with MythTV, XMLTV, and MacProgramGuide. I can think of worse places to send my money.

    Free/open source PVRs are more functional than most proprietary competitors & the software itself will always be not only gratis, but free as in speech. If you want the cheapest possible service, you'll do better to get something with a lifetime subscription to guide content. But I prefer my freedom to a full pocketbook.

    It'd be nice if the guide data would eventually become free/open. But who's going to provide it?

    If you don't like SD, I guess you can try their competitor (if they ever release something for Linux). Or screen scrape for no cost.

  4. Re:Titan TV by Perseid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    TitanTV, as far as I know, doesn't support downloads from the likes of MythTV. Does MythTV support .tvvi files?

  5. Wow, good going Slashdot by PolyDwarf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here goes some karma...

    Reading through the comments, I'm struck by one thing, really.. The utter deviation of the posters, versus the "normal" mode of Slashdot.

    Why is it an utter crime to want to get free tv listings? Why is it considered mandated that you must pay money to get them, where before they were free? Is it because it is the ScheduleDirect people? Or is it because it's "only" 5 dollars? Or is it because the word "Free" is bad? Seriously, tell me. I can download Linux for free, but I guess that's bad? I can read Slashdot for free, but I guess that's bad?

    The ScheduleDirect people are offering a paid service. More power to them. I have a little nagging doubt in my head that they will degrade other methods of program acquisition (EIT, direct inserts into the database from a scraper, etc), to "facilitate" SD (otherwise known as rope people into using their paid-for service, and nothing else). Those fears may or may not be unfounded, but why shouldn't I be worried and looking for alternatives?

    Why shouldn't people want to find out about any free listings that are out there, just like has been offered for years from the Zap2It people?

    1. Re:Wow, good going Slashdot by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I assume it's because they are sick of people asking. Google is GREAT for finding things that exist. The fact that you -can't- find this on Google is a huge hint that it doesn't exist. Let's not forget that the last service to provide this for free closed down because of all the abusers, even after they were asked not to abuse the system. What other service in their right mind would take their place?

      I admit, I think $5/mo for TV listings is a lot. TV Guide provided that service, plus interviews and articles, for less. (At least, last I checked.) There's free TV listings in the paper each week. (Again, last I checked.) And you can always look stuff up on tvguide.com and other sites for free, they just don't provide an easy-to-use feed for automated abuse. Err, use. I don't even pay that much for services that do a -lot- more work.

      Some day, TV will get on the ball and start providing the service people want, instead of trying to force things down our throats. Europe has tv-via-satellite that seems to work very well, except it's not HD. The HD over-the-air works well, if you aren't stuck in a valley like I am and can't receive any signals without a ton of equipment.

      No, some day, someone will see the light and provide TV over the 'net, with an electronic guide that mythtv or other programs can use. (AT&T, ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?) Maybe they'll even have TV-on-demand and eliminate the need for a DVR altogether... If I could stream TV shows any time I wanted, instead of having to know ahead of time, I'd be willing to pay for that. (More than I already pay for HD & DVR cable, I mean.)

      We seem to have hit a phase where companies are trying to force us to want what they want to sell us, instead of trying to sell us what we want. It's backfiring left and right and they're soon going to have to open their eyes.

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      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
  6. american users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    aren't there mythtv users in europe and elsewhere?

  7. Re:Why free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "MythTV is free, what don't you understand?!"

    Well, now it's not free
    The software, itself, remains both gratis and libre. It also retains features (commercial skip, show sharing and archiving) not in many proprietary PVRs.

    and it's also difficult to use
    The usability of MythTV is at least as good as many proprietary PVRs. There have been articles on both the discoverability of how to use the system and the low number of buttons needed to perform common functions.
  8. Re:Titan TV by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If it becomes necessary, yes it will.

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    "I think an etch-a-sketch with an ethernet port would beat IE7 in web standards compliance."
  9. I found a solution... by rlbond86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use GBPVR under XP, and I am extremely satisfied with Yapi2xml, which uses Yahoo TV's API to get listings and outputs them as XMLTV. http://gbpvr.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Utility/YApi2XM L

  10. Free US EPG data here... by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a non-Windows Media Center box that is the hub of my media. It really sucked when Zap2It went down. So, I spent an evening looking for a free alternative. I have a laptop that has Media Center 2005 on it (where it automagically downlaods its EPG data) and found a nifty application that will parse it into XMLTV format. I then drop that in a share on my media server where it picks it up and installs the latest data. Rinse, lather, and repeat. It bites that I have to manually do this every so often, but it sure beats manually parsing or screen scraping a website.

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    We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others