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Study Finds That 'M'-Rated Games Sell Best
Gamasutra is reporting on information from a new research firm called Electronic Entertainment Design and Research, which has recently released a number of papers looking into trends in the gaming industry. One (perhaps surprising) finding: M-rated titles sell better than any other rating group. "The study, titled 'Console Intelligence Brief 2007' examines the PlayStation 3, Wii and Xbox 360 since each consoles' release through June 1, 2007, and comprises some 219 retail and 187 downloadable games made available on the new platforms, examined by genre, ESRB rating, gross sales in the United States, MetaCritic scores, online functionalities, multiplayer capability and other core game features. Among the sample results made available, the study found that critics' favorite list and the blockbuster charts have a lot in common, with highly-rated titles selling up to five times better than titles with lower scoring reviews. Despite online connectivity being a marketing cornerstone for all new consoles, the study concluded that 45 percent of retail games are not utilizing it in any way -- 98 percent of Nintendo Wii games have no online functionality at all."
Most gamers are in the demographic that m-rated games appeal to...
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Perhaps the industry should open up a bit more to AO rated games. Maybe they'll be surprised as to the results. Video games are not a children only medium. If they came to the conclusion that parents should govern what games their children should play, then they'd be willing to market adult oriented media. Last I saw, the porn industry was still thriving.
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All pimply teenagers that want to be cool and need the latest gore and sex-laden game will buy those....
Are we still really propagating the falsehood that most gamers are "pimply teenagers"?
The gamer demographic is expanding beyond its core young male audience to include more women and older adults, and video games in general are becoming far more pervasive as the medium approaches mass market status, according to a Benchmark study released Thursday by Nielsen Entertainment's Interactive Group.
The results of the study may go along way toward diminishing the gamer geek stereotype. Among the more eye-opening statistics: nearly 40 percent of gamers are female, and nearly a quarter of gamers are over the age of 40.
http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000873991
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And they probably have the same amount of objectionable material in them, since ESRB ratings are tougher than MPAA. It's interesting that both are directed at different age groups rating wise, have the same content and sell the same. Of course, I stood behind a parent pre-ordering 5 M rated games for their 6 year old, so why am I surprised?
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After looking over some information from the ESA, this really doesn't come as much of a surprise to me. They point out that the average age gamers is 33. Does it come as any surprise to anyone that a 'mature' audience might prefer 'mature' content? This isn't to say that all gamers in their twenties and thirties like blood, gore, and other things such that they'll buy any game that has them, but if we look at a lot of the most popular games, they deal with subject matters (warfare, the mafia, etc.) that have violent content in them in order to stay true to the subject matter and portray it more accurately. These people have the disposable income to purchase these games which are most suited to their interests.
Another factor is probably young children perceiving these games as 'mature' and that playing them will make them more grown-up. I don't know how much weight this theory holds, but I've heard it used before and don't find it as hard to accept. There might also be the allure of playing a game that you're 'not supposed to' play because it might be too much for you to handle. Curiosity has probably gotten more people to look at goatse (or something else described as incredibly sick), moreso than any actual attraction to such images. Of course, I don't think younger children have as much disposable income to puchase these games directly, but their parents probably do.
I think that there's also the "Saving Private Ryan" effect at work. It's easier to write a profound tale when you're not chained to a rating. Flipping through my games collection reveals titles like The Longest Journey, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, and Fahrenheit, which aren't gore-fests at all, but which also aren't afraid to disturb the viewer for the sake of a compelling story.
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Everyone knows it's because us gamers are all violent killers who need our training to follow the orders of the internet hate machine.
Jack Thompson is gonna have a busy week spewing BS.
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I'm not quite sure that I completely agree with your assessment that "The best games are M." As an example, are games that are rated E or T not capable of being considered as the best? Games such as The Sims, Civilization, Super Mario Bros., Tetris, etc. are not rated M, but are considered among some of the best games of all time. If you look at IGN's Top 100 games list I don't think there are any games in the top 10 that would be rated as Mature. The first M-rated game I could find on the list was Metal Gear Solid which was ranked #19.
It could be possible that you enjoy FPS games, which are generally given a mature rating because they involve death and blood in most cases. It happens that the genre you prefer happens to be tagged as Mature in a vast majority of cases. An interesting question springs to mind though. If you were given an FPS game featuring the best controls, storyline, gameplay, multiplayer, graphics, and game balance (in your opinion) would it still be good if it didn't have enough violence (or other content) to warrent an M rating? If you don't enjoy FPS games, then simply apply the question to a different genre.
My wife says they should be rated IM for immature.
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How many "M" games with the gameplay removed would be rated "PG13" vs. "R" for a movie (machinima)? (hint)
Similarly, how many "R" movies, with the addition of the simple mechanic of "Press A to continue", would be reclassified as "AO" rather than "M"?
The problem with Standards is that everybody has their own.
Many parents have learned to have a knee-jerk reaction to these ratings. For example, I've known a 12-year-old child who is not allowed to watch any R-rated movies.
That's lazy parenting.
If you really don't want your child to see violence, read the actual comments that come with the rating and see what is meant by "violence". Or, gee, watch the movie yourself before deciding whether to show it to your kids.
Maybe if parents (and kids!) were made to actually evaluate the content used, we wouldn't have every game out there deliberately trying for an M, just as every movie tries for PG-13. This means, for example, tweaking a movie to have just a little more violence and a little less sex to fit into that rating.
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I would like to note, in IGN's top 100 games, all of them are old. Infact, the only game in their top 20 that was made after the year 2000 is Rome: Total War, which is an M rated game.
In the 20-30 range, all of the ones made in 2000 or later are M rated games, except burnout 3.
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Perhaps this highlights the toll the ESRB has taken on the gaming universe.
I recently played through Tomb Raider Anniversary with the commentary on. I had forgotten that, in the original Tomb Raider, if Lara would fall atop spikes she would be impaled upon them. It wasn't until the commentary mentioned that they weren't allowed to do it in the remake and keep the rating they needed for the target audience.
Developers of M games don't have their hands tied like those targeting younger audiences. Then again, the lack of games after 2000 making it above #19 is perhaps developers using the M as an excuse to add shock-value violence and sex in substitution for, not in addition to, great game play.
Exploitation is nothing new to any entertainment industry, I suppose.
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Does a game being old somehow preclude it from being a great game or one of the best of all time? I'll agree that a bit of nostalgia may have crept into IGN's list, mostly because Super Mario Bros. is rated as the number one game of all time (I contend that Super Mario Bros. 3 is a superior game, but that's only my opinion.) but many other games have legitimate reasons for being there. Super Metroid and Legent of Zelda: OOT are regarded as the best games in their series by many and as the best game of their type by many as well. I think there's a tendency for younger games to overlook many of these games or not appreciate them today. Bioshock has been lauded as an excellent FPS (which I won't argue with much) but does it deserve to be in the top 10 of all time? I'd suggest watching this review that actually takes a critical look at the game and doesn't spend the majority of the reivew lavashing praise on it.
As a personal example, I find Civilization II to be one of the most brilliant games ever designed. The fact that I can still sink hours of my life at a time into the game when it has to compete with the current generation of games speaks something of its excellence. It's not perfect, but there's not much I would change about the game if I could. There are some games like this that can't be improved upon in their gameplay aspect and updating the graphics only goes so far to enhance the experience. A game like Civilization II doesn't need new pretty graphics or anything that would normally cause a game to receive a 'mature' rating in order to be great.
It's also disingenuous to suggest that there weren't any mature games being made before than either. Metal Gear Solid received an M-rating almost a decade ago. There have also been mature themed games all the way back in the Atari generation. A game doesn't need to have an M rating in order to do well and the concept of Mature games isn't something new either. I only bring this up, because I feel that someone would likely use it as a rebuttle.
I'm not trying to say that any of the M rated games on the list are bad either, but with the exception of Half-Life it's hard to argue that any of them should be moved significantly up the list when the games placed in front of them are some of the pinacles of gaming. Some of these games are pushing the limits of the technology we have today, but some of the other games were also pushing those limits over a decade ago. Perhaps it's possible that our culture is becoming more accepting of mature themes in video games and that's why we're seeing more of them, but adding mature themes to a game just for the sake of having them there won't make a game good.