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AMD Releases 900+ Pages Of GPU Specs

An anonymous reader writes "Ending off the X Developer Summit this year, Matthew Tippett handed off ATI's GPU specifications to David Airlie on a CD. However, the specifications are also now available on the X.org site. Right now there is the RV630 Register Reference Guide and M56 Register Reference Guide. Expect more documentation (and 3D specifications) to arrive shortly. The new open-source R500/600 driver will be released early next week."

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  1. I'll replace my nVidia when I see a good review. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only way to get nVidia to release their specs is to show them that there is a real market.

    I'll do my part and replace my AGP nVidia card with an ATI one as soon as there is a good review of an available card with this driver on Ubuntu.

  2. Great by qbwiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've actually done it. It's time to buy an ATI card.

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    1. Re:Great by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "They've actually done it. It's time to buy an ATI card."

      I've been recommending nVidia cards to everyone who asks, simply because their Linux support has been leagues ahead of ATI (now AMD, for those who haven't been paying attention). If the specs are credible enough to create a quality Free driver, then I'll switch to AMD in a heart beat.

    2. Re:Great by Xtravar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've been recommending nVidia cards to everyone who asks, simply because their Linux support has been leagues ahead of ATI (now AMD, for those who haven't been paying attention). True, true. My girlfriend got a laptop a couple weeks ago and one of the deciding factors was nVidia vs ATI. I haven't even considered an ATI card for myself and I recommend that others get nVidia.

      It's about fucking time that companies realize the trickle-down effect of abusing nerds. Who do the ignorant masses go to when they need advice? Their nerdy friend...

      ATI lost market share for almost the exact reason that IE did (albeit to less extent).
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    3. Re:Great by poopdeville · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is it really though? That's not rhetorical. Without RTFAing, I want the slashdot opinion - is this or is this not the proof that ATI is the solution for linux graphics? I was almost certain that my next card would be an nvidia, but this may change that.

      It will be, in a few weeks. Moreso in a few months as the drivers improve. Performance tuning is one of the open source methodology's strengths.

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  3. Re:It seems to me... by NerveGas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux kind of carried the Opteron for the first year or so, since it had 64-bit and NUMA support, while M$ obligingly waited to release any such thing until Intel had an offering as well. Maybe AMD learned something from that.

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  4. Well hold on there by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They've released the specs, this doesn't mean anything yet. People forget just how complex graphics cards are. Writing a driver for something like a network card or SCSI controller is fairly easy, and that's also evident from how small the drivers are. There's just little to do. 3D cards are extremely complex, hence the massive amount of documentation. It isn't like there was just some magic number that needed releasing and the OSS drivers would be perfect with full support. There's now a ton of work to be done, since it sounds like it is just specs, not code, they are releasing.

    So you'll probably want to wait and watch until the driver is ready to go and up to whatever performance and stability standards you need for your application. Switch now and you are likely to find yourself in essentially the same situation as before: ATi's binary driver, or an OSS driver that doesn't do what you want.

    It'll be some time before this information can be transformed in to a fully functional, stable, fast driver. After all, if it were so easy, ATi and nVidia would have perfect drivers out on the launch of a new card and never need to do anything but minor updates.

  5. Re:Sweet! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OMG, you mean you can't run the same computer equipment for 20 years and expect it to before useful work in a modern fashion?

    Your reading comprehension is worse than your grammar. By 20, you mean 5. It still "[something] useful work in a modern fashion", except that it's been artificially crippled by recent driver updates.

    Probably just because they want money. Let's burn them.

    Child, meet Market. Customers don't want to spend more money than they have to. Paradoxically, this often means they'll spend even more money with the companies that don't put the squeeze on them.

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  6. Re:Sweet! Sour!! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And the newer drivers still support chips that predate your GF4.

    For the record, Nvidia says otherwise.

    You all should be grateful instead of pissing in their Cheerios.

    "Thank you, oh benevolent masters, for supplying the software required to use the hardware that you gave me in exchange for money." Was that suitably deferential, or should I bend my knee more?

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  7. Actually by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heh - I think you're missing the implication of his statement.

    Because Linux is less resource intensive, he's able to upgrade his distro several times on the same hardware, putting himself in the situation of having a new kernel with old hardware and old drivers that don't load in the new kernel.

    If you want to upgrade Windows, you usually wind up needing a new machine, so: new machine, new video card, new drivers, new Windows -- not a problem. Well, at least not the same problem.

    So it's not an issue of what's *wrong* with Linux, it's what's *right* with it. The problem is that this presents circumstances the hardware world isn't used to dealing with.

  8. Re:Teaser indeed... by fabs64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, if I can't get specs, my next video card will be an nVidia. Why should I suffer because my HW vendor wants to hide something from me? Do they really believe that non-functional hardware gains them any marketshare?

    Now how does this make a lick of sense? nVidia haven't released ANY specs.
    Also, I'd imagine that 2d rendering is reasonably similar across chipsets, but I admit I'm just guessing there.