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eBay Seller Sues Autodesk for $10 Million

Miasik.Net writes "A lawsuit has been filed in Federal Court (US District Court for the Western Washington District C07-1189 JLR) that alleges Autodesk, Inc maker of the industry standard AutoCAD software and their attorney Andrew S. Mackay have devised an illegal scheme to have used copies of their software removed from the eBay site using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Finally someone decided that non-transferable licenses must be stopped." While proving $10 million in damages might prove difficult, the reasoning behind the case is pretty sound.

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  1. Re:The question by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

    So which one is applied by the modern court system? In criminal law one is innocent until proven guilty. In civil law (like this), the scales are even with just a feather on the side of "not liable" (since one can only really be "innocent" of a crime).

  2. Re:California Bar Investigations by debrain · · Score: 3, Informative

    Furthermore, the plantiff lacks standing. In the state of California, to sue for fraud, party A must alledge that party B defrauded party A. If A claims that the money comes from C, then he has no standing to sue, even if his statements are correct. Vis-à-vis jus tertii ?
  3. Re:California Bar Investigations by spacefrog · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the state of California
    This is a federal suit. From TFA:

    A lawsuit has been filed in Federal Court (US District Court for the Western Washington District C07-1189 JLR)
  4. Re:IT's about time that some stands up for First-s by Kalriath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Similar problem with virtual machines. Running a virtual machine, you CAN just move an installation of Windows from hardware to hardware.

    Microsoft's solution? Vista won't run under virtualization. FUD. Runs fine (though probably a tad slowly, but just turn Aero the fuck off and you'll be right) under virtualisation. And the license only says that you can't use the same license you used for the host in guest machines unless it's Ultimate or Enterprise edition.

    There's plenty of real things about Vista to bitch about, so stop making shit up.
    --
    For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
  5. Some interesting things. by alejandronova · · Score: 3, Informative
    From my research, I've found interesting things. First of all, AUTODESK'S EULA IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. The Autodesk page, supposedly publishing the EULA, ended with an EULA located on a non-working server. The only thing close to an actual Autocad or Maya EULA I found is here: http://www.evanyares.com/licensing/2005/12/13/autocad-2006-eula.html (it's a SHAME that this is the only way I can read the EULA of a supposedly serious software company... Is the EULA a secret? How can you claim I agree with the EULA if I can't even read it?)

    Second, some terms are interesting.

    2.1 License Grant. Autodesk grants You a non-sublicensable, non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license to use copies of the Software in the jurisdiction in which you acquire the Software, in accordance with the applicable User Documentation, within the scope of the License Parameters. Autodesk's license grant is conditioned on Your continuous compliance with all license limitations and restrictions described in this Agreement. If You violate any of these limitations or restrictions, the license grant will automatically and immediately expire. The license descriptions in this Section 2 define the scope of rights that Autodesk grants to You. Any usage of the Software outside the scope of the applicable license grant constitutes an infringement of Autodesk's intellectual property rights as well as a material breach of this Agreement.

    What kind of contract is this? It's a licence, of course. And why are giving this licence to operate in a specific COUNTRY? (the jurisdiction in which you acquire the Software) Does it mean that, if I travel with a laptop loaded with a legal copy of Autocad 2006 (the license for Autocad 2008 isn't available) from Chile to the States, I have to pay another CLP$ 2.000.000 to keep my legal status?

    9.2. Choice of Law. This Agreement and any disputes arising out of or in connection with this Agreement shall be governed by California law without reference to conflict-of-laws principles and excluding the UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods.

    9.4. Severability. If and to the extent any provision of this Agreement is held illegal, invalid, or unenforceable in whole or in part under applicable law, such provision or such portion thereof shall be ineffective as to the jurisdiction in which it is illegal, invalid, or unenforceable to the extent of its illegality, invalidity, or unenforceability and shall be deemed modified to the extent necessary to conform to applicable law so as to give the maximum effect to the intent of the parties. The illegality, invalidity, or unenforceability of such provision in that jurisdiction shall not in any way affect the legality, validity, or enforceability of any other provision of this Agreement in any other jurisdiction.

    That is, if your country doesn't have a sane conflict-of-law statute and doesn't forbid you transferring jurisdiction to California, you are essentially screwed.

    9.1. No Assignment; Insolvency. This Agreement and any rights hereunder are non-assignable and any purported assignment shall be void. The Agreement and the licenses granted hereunder shall terminate without further notice or action by Autodesk if You become bankrupt or insolvent, make an arrangement with Your creditors or go into liquidation.

    See what your legislation says about what we call "adhesive contracts" (contracts where one part writes the contract, and the other one, with a lower power to negotiate conditions, only signs. One kind of these "adhesive contracts" would be shrink-wrap contracts), and look carefully if THIS ONE IS FORBIDDEN. Why do they require your solvency? Is it relevant?

    6.3 Educational Institutional and Student Versions. WORK PRODUCT AND OTHER DATA CREATED WITH EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONAL VERSIONS AND STUDENT VERSIONS OF THE SOFTWARE CONTAINS CERTAIN NOTICES AND LIMITA