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Photonic Laser Thruster Promises Earth to Mars in a Week

serutan writes "Using lasers to drive spaceships has been a subject of interest for many years, but making a photonic engine powerful enough for practical use has been elusive. Dr. Young Bae, a California physicist, has built a demonstration photonic laser thruster that produces enough thrust to micro-maneuver a satellite. This would be useful in high-precision formation flying, such as using a fleet of satellites to form a space telescope with a large virtual aperture. Scaled up, a similar engine could speed a spacecraft to Mars in less than a week."

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  1. Re:acceleration? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Informative

    It includes turnaround at the halfway point.

  2. Re: Metric Joke by Telephone+Sanitizer · · Score: 5, Informative

    A harsh lesson that I have learned here...

    If you're going to make a lame joke, at least include a cite so there's a chance of getting modded up as "informative."

    The Mars Climate Orbiter:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

    "The Mars Climate Orbiter was intended to enter orbit at an altitude of 140-150 km above Mars. However, a navigation error caused the spacecraft to reach as low as 57 km. The spacecraft was destroyed by atmospheric stresses and friction at this low altitude. The navigation error arose because a NASA subcontractor (Lockheed Martin) used Imperial units (pound-seconds) instead of the metric units (newton-seconds) as specified by NASA."

  3. Re:acceleration? by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Half a G will get you way further than Mars in a week. The greatest distance between Earth and Mars is 391 million Km. Assuming you're going to go constant acceleration half way and constant acceleration in the other direction the second half of the trip, 1/2 G acceleration will get you 897 million Km end to end in seven days.

    If you don't mind going through the Sun, that 1/2 G will get you Earth to Jupiter, in the worst geometry possible, in seven days and one hour and thirty minutes.

  4. Re:acceleration? by demonlapin · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, that only works if you're accelerating in the same direction at 1/2G the whole time. If you want to end up in the right place with zero speed, you need:

    s = 0.5at^2

    s = 0.5 * 4.9 * (3.5d * 24h/d * 3600s/hr)^2

    = 224 042 112 000 m, a bit over 224 million km
    Then double it, since you'll go just as far in the deceleration, and you get 448 million km, not 897.
  5. Re:Energy source? by Arabani · · Score: 5, Informative

    The concept of external (i.e. explosions are not contained within the ship's structure) nuclear pulse propulsion was actually studied in the late 50s, early 60s as Project Orion (internal NPP, which is like your car analogy but with nuclear explosions instead of fuel-air explosions, places too great of a stress on the ship's structure to be feasible).

    They never did get enough funding for a test with a nuke, but they did build 1-meter scale models powered by RDX charges. Powered by I believe 6 explosive charges, one of these reached 100 meters in a controlled test flight, proving that the concept worked (at least with lower energy pulses). As for whether or not it would work with nukes, their numerical modeling strongly indicated that it would.

    You mentioned that the blast wave might be moving too fast to be useful, but actually that's the whole point - the impulse of the blast wave impacting against and then rebounding off the back of the spaceship is what provides thrust, so the faster the blast wave is moving, the greater the impulse and thrust.

    Of course, the spaceship would have to be stupidly large to survive the instantaneous acceleration, but that was why it was so attractive. A ship around 10000 tons could've made it to Pluto and back within a year. Plus, it had a very high thrust-weight ratio, which meant that the fraction of the weight that was useful payload was stupidly high as well.

    So then if NPP is so good, why was the project killed? It wasn't because it didn't work ... it was a combination of quite a few political reasons:
    1) NASA had thrown its support behind the competing NERVA rocket.
    2) Fallout was problematic.
    3) There was no mandate from Congress for missions that would require such performance, and NASA had no desire to dictate policy.
    4) Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 banned all above-ground nuclear testing.