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The GIMP UI Redesign

sekra writes "The GIMP UI Redesign Team has created a blog to collect ideas for a new design of the most popular image manipulation program. Everyone is free to submit suggestions to be published in the blog. Will a new GUI finally get more users to choose The GIMP as their program of choice?"

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  1. LOL at the urban definition of a Gimp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative


    (1) a derrogatory term for someone that is disabled or has a medicial problem that results in physical impairment.

    (2) An insult implying that someone is incompetent, stupid, etc. Can also be used to imply that the person is uncool or can't/won't do what everyone else is doing.

    (3) A sex slave or submissive, usually male, as popularlized by the movie Pulp Fiction.

    Look at that gimp in the wheelchair

    Dude, quit being a gimp and take a hit!

    Bring out the gimp!

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gimp

    so to the "street" (or younger population who you should be targetting) its an insult (has been my whole life and im 39), hardly surprising nobody wants to use it

  2. Re:QT please by jZnat · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's already Krita (part of KOffice, KDE) which uses Qt and looks and acts quite like Photoshop, so come KOffice 2.0, perhaps Krita will become the most popular open source image editor since it'll have native Windows and Mac ports.

    You should also note that GTK stands for GIMP ToolKit as it was written as a widget toolkit for GIMP in the first place. I doubt they'll be changing it anytime soon.

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  3. Re:Most Popular?? by masdog · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nearly everything? I doubt it. The GIMP can do a lot, but it doesn't come close to matching the functionality of Photoshop. According to the Wikipedia article:

    Comparison with Adobe Photoshop

    Like Photoshop, GIMP features support for 8-bit per-channel images. Its Intelligent Scissors are similar to Photoshop's Magnetic Lasso tool, and many basic tools and filters have identical functionality in both.

    Photoshop features several advantages in color management. It has support for 16-bit, 32-bit, and floating point images,[10] support for the Pantone color matching system, or spot color and support for color models other than RGB(A) and greyscale, such as CIE XYZ.[11] Photoshop features extensive gamma correction support.

    GIMP features no or (with the PSPI plug-in) very weak support for plugins designed for Photoshop, such as 8BF filters.[12]

    In addition, Photoshop contains several productivity features and tools not supported by the GIMP, such as native support for Adjustment layers (layers which act like filters),[13], undo history "snapshots" that persist between sessions, the history brush tool, folders in the layer window, a free transform tool to rotate, scale and move in one tool, and an interpolation code to draw smooth brush strokes using a tablet. The GIMP also requires basic programming knowledge to build an automation upon it, usually Script-Fu (scheme) or Python-Fu, while Photoshop can record your actions and repeat them with a "Play" button.

    The GIMP's open development model means that it is much more readily available at low or zero cost than Photoshop, on more operating systems, and plugin development is not limited by developers; by comparison, access to Adobe Photoshop's SDK requires authorization.
    So, it seems like the GIMP is just barely scratching the surface of what Photoshop can do...
  4. UI isn't my problem with GIMP by Speare · · Score: 4, Informative

    Call me wacky, but the UI isn't a problem. Any tool can be learned in a few days or weeks of using it.

    Instead, here's my wishlist:

    • icc profiles for display and printer
    • deep color (16bit/channel or deeper) and hdri color
    • better support for huge images in moderate memory
    • filter layer types

    Being on Mac OSX, my top wish is for an updated Mac OSX build (even if it still must be under X11.app). The OSX-ready builds are far behind the main development releases, and for the glacial pace of GIMP development, that is really saying something. I bet all of the above items are ready on Linux, just not the officially recognized OSX-ready builds on macports or the website.

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  5. Re:Most Popular?? by Glytch · · Score: 5, Informative

    The problem is that Gimp doesn't do everything Photoshop does, or even come close. There's no 16 or 32 bit channel support, no adjustment layers, no colorspaces aside from RGB and greyscale, no usable colour profile support. Those four things on their own eliminate Gimp as a usable high-end photography tool. The interface is not the problem. The underlying libraries are.

    Krita from the Koffice suite is far more modern. It has all four of the above capabilities I mentioned. Some more polish and it'll be a very capable tool.

    Anyone know what's really going on with GEGL?

  6. Plugin support and availability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    GIMP features no or (with the PSPI plug-in) very weak support for plugins designed for Photoshop, such as 8BF filters.[12]
    PhotoShop features no support for plugins or scripts designed for the GIMP. GIMP has many free/open source plugins & scripts. PhotoShop has some, but many more are commercial and proprietary.
  7. Re:Hmmmm by sekra · · Score: 5, Informative

    Should be the most popular OPEN SOURCE image manipulation program
    Right, and that's exactly what I wanted to write in the summary... shame on me.
  8. Re:Why even have static key bindings? by grumbel · · Score: 4, Informative

    GTK and Gimp can do this for a long long time, you have to unlock it in the Gimp preferences (Interface->Use dynamic keyboard shortcuts), but once done you simply hover over a menu item, press the combo you like to assign to it and you are done with binding that item to the given shortcut, by far the easiest way to configure keyboard bindings I have ever seen anywhere.

  9. Re:wxWidgets! by Directrix1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    He was advocating using wxWidgets as the toolkit. wxWidgets uses native toolkits (Windows on Windows, GTK on Linux, Aqua [or whatever it is] on Mac).

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  10. Re:QT please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Er, Krita has a grid, and has layer groups...

    Boudewijn Rempt, Krita maintainer

  11. Re:One True Library? by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 4, Informative

    I never understood the point of these huge, monolithic libraries. They're a bitch to maintain & if you want to use an improved aspect in PART of the library (e.g. a better database interface), you often must upgrade ALL uses of the library that you might be happy with (e.g. the GUI). In Open Sources 2.0, Chris DiBona states "when developing, I like to use large libraries only when I either don't want to deal with a technology, or I don't fully understand it and don't feel qualified to implement it." It seems that many *nix hackers feel similarly about userland tools. So why is QT so popular? Well, first of QT is split into several sublibraries (as of 4.0), so it's not monolithic as such. As to why it is popular, try using it. It's popular because it is very well made. To the grandparent, QT takes longer to compile because it is C++, which is a language that is hard on the compiler. GTK, on the other hand, is written in C, which is very easy on the compiler. (Insert language flamewar here).
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  12. Re:Hmmmm by budgenator · · Score: 4, Informative

    I imagine that's a lot easier said than done, let me tell you a sad tail, a long time ago there was this project that forked off from the GIMP originally called film Gimp and is now called cinepaint and that happened about version 1.3 for the GIMP. It different from the gimp because it was designed movies with big honking frames at 32 bit color depth, and I'm not talking 8+8+8 = 24 bits, were talking 32 * three color channels! So when the UI gets bloated it really bogs the whole system down. Cinepaint is currently undergoing a rewrite of the core to better support high color depth images and undergoing a change in the UI from GTK to FLTK. What they should have done was first separate the UI code from the program logic and made sure very thing still compiled and worked, then changed from the increasingly bloated, slow and ugly GTK to the still ugly but small and fast FLTK. What the Gimp team needs to do is get their code-Nazi's to finish the GEGL overhaul and then separate the code for the user interface so it can be worked on without FUBARing the whole project. The other problem that the GIMP has is the GTK, Gimp Tool Kit that they wrote for the gimp is now integral with gnome so whatever evils gnome introduce the GIMP inherits and there is a limit to what they can fix.

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