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Trent Reznor Says "Steal My Music"

THX-1138 writes "A few months ago, Trent Reznor (frontman of the band Nine Inch Nails), was in Australia doing an interview when he commented on the outrageous prices of CDs there. Apparently now his label, Universal Media Group is angry at him for having said that. During a concert last night, he told fans, '...Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means — STEAL IT. Steal away. Steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealin'. Because one way or another these mother****ers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

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  1. Going indie by Goose42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIRC, his contract is going to be up soon anyways, and if this is how he feels his company is treating him I doubt he'll sign a new one. With the innovative storytelling he's done with Year Zero, and essentially making open-source music by releasing the original recording data so that anyone can remix it, it'll be interesting to see how he goes about releasing new music without a large distribution network that the major label gives him.

    1. Re:Going indie by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you've followed his career at all, you'd know his current record contract exists only because he had no other choice.

      He was using his own label -- Nothing Records -- to publish his music. He never liked working with the big labels. However, while he was going through some pretty destructive drug use after The Fragile, his partner essentially took the money from Nothing Records and ran. Trent woke up and found himself with no money and no way to make money.

      He signed a multi-album deal to get him enough money to be independent again, but he has become increasingly disgusted by the practices of the label (double dipping by charging Trent to do the color shifting ink label and then still charing the customer more, etc.). IIRC, he's got one album left and then he's free. I'd expect it to be released sometime in 2008 or early 2009, depending on how profitable his tour is. He wants out ASAP.

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  2. Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? by king-manic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just wonder one thing: has he stopped accepting royalties from the CD sales, or canceled his distribution contracts? Without that step, this is a fairly empty gesture from a very rich man. He makes available high quality raw audio track for people to sample with. He vocally questioned the high prices in Australia. He encouraged his fans to steal his music. I don't think he needs to impoverish himself to have an opinion.
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  3. Re:Hey by edraven · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, because those recording industry guys really hate it when people give them money. Man that gets them riled.

  4. Promoter vs Artist by BoRegardless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back to the same old B.S. that has caused turmoil in Hollywood since I can remember.

    Artist makes contract with "BigCo", and "BigCo" agrees to a % of the "sales" as they define them, and then "BigCo" sets the price of the movie, book, or music where they want to get their profits they want. That was the way of the 20th Century.

    In the 19th Century, artists of all types made money on direct sales, direct live acts and there was little other than a shop that might sell works for a % of the sale.

    Now I wonder if the 21st Century Artist is not moving back to the 19th Century methods, where the artist controls things more, since it is the Artist inspiring the viewers, listeners, readers of his work that counts for quality artistic expression. If Artists have something hot, that your subset of the human race likes, the Internet allows those mutual groups to find each other in lots of ways.

    I think the Internet is leveling the playing field, and artists are likely to see a resurgence of interest...provided they have quality work.

  5. Re:Concert, not interview! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >Would he recommend people break into the stadium?

    You're conflating violent crimes with civil infractions again.

  6. Trent quite isn't a conformist type by the_olo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And is not afraid to go against the labels' will, e.g. see the history behind an eastern egg on the "Broken" album:

    They(tvt)wanted a more commercial album and insisted on producers doing his next album. When Trent refused, they told him his album would never get made nor released and denied studio time. The entire Broken album in turn was recorded and written almost entirely while on tour for Pretty Hate Machine. Trent even talks about how they would mix it in hotel rooms,on computers, and hide the names of the song and material with saved names like "pussyfuck".
  7. Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? by Ash+Vince · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He said recently in an interview that he's trapped in a contract and has to produce some number of albums for his label,.... This also means his label are probably stuck with him for the same number of albums proving the previous one sells a certain minimum number.

    It sounds similar to Matt Groening and FOX. They pissed him off by not letting him concentrate on Futurama and making him churn out more Simpsons so he used the Simpsons as a vehicle to insult FOX executives whenever he could. They had to put up with it as he was sticking by his contract and making them money.
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  8. Re:One out of one Trent Reznor agrees: by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you please cite the judicial order or legislative ruling that establishes copyright infringement as equivalent to theft?

    And, on topic, what about the big fuzzy gray area where the creator of a work still has free expression to say things like "steal this book" or "my agent is a dick nose and I want out of my contract?"

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  9. Re:Especially since by king-manic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rather, he seems to be encouraging his fans to not buy his music, which deprives him of royalties, but also deprives the label of money. Exactly, already it's like 98:2 label:talent money split for new bands. For NIN I'd imagine it's 85:15. His label loses more if his music is stolen then he does. If you look for some of his older records they are premium priced. $24-$45 CAD for pretty hate machine or the downward spiral. Ludicrous for something that is individually less then $0.10 to produce.
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    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
  10. Re:Trent, you say "Steal My Music", but, by justinlindh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Posted too soon. Found info on the USB drive sharing thing on Wikipedia. Here's a snippet of what happened:

    On February 12, 2007, a USB drive was found in a bathroom stall during a NIN concert in Lisbon. It contained a high-quality MP3 of the track "My Violent Heart," which quickly circulated throughout the Internet. Another USB drive containing the same track was purportedly found in Madrid.

    On February 19, another USB drive was found in Barcelona, containing the track "Me, I'm Not" and an MP3 of static.

    On February 25, a third USB drive was found in Manchester, containing the track "In This Twilight" and an image of the Hollywood sign apparently demolished.

    Concerning the use of USB drives as a form of promotion, Reznor explains:

    " The USB drive was simply a mechanism of leaking the music and data we wanted out there. The medium of the CD is outdated and irrelevant. It's really painfully obvious what people want -- DRM-free music they can do what they want with. If the greedy record industry would embrace that concept I truly think people would pay for music and consume more of it.

    That's awesome, and makes my nerd heart warm.

  11. Re:Has he put his money where his mouth is? by KikassAssassin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Trent is in a contract with his label to put out a certain number of albums through them before he can break away and do his own thing.

    In the interview that was mentioned in the topic (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21741980-5006024,00.html), he says:

    (Interviewer): Given all that, do you have any idea how to approach the release of your next album?

    I've have one record left that I owe a major label, then I will never be seen in a situation like this again. If I could do what I want right now, I would put out my next album, you could download it from my site at as high a bit-rate as you want, pay $4 through PayPal. Come see the show and buy a T-shirt if you like it. I would put out a nicely packaged merchandise piece, if you want to own a physical thing. And it would come out the day that it's done in the studio, not this "Let's wait three months" bulls---.

  12. Steal My Music Too, While You're At It by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You could really help me out if you shared my music on the Internet.

    If you play piano, there's sheet music available for two of my songs, with the rest coming sometime soon.

    It's all completely legal to share, as it has a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license. You can create derivative works such as remixes, and even sell my work or perform it in front of a paying crowd, but you must share alike - that is, give your derivative works the same license.

    Why am I doing this? I am studying both piano and music theory with the aim of going back to school someday to major in musical composition. I want to compose symphonies.

    I'll be in my fifties by the time I graduate - I can't afford to spend years building up a fan base. So when your local symphony orchestra plays my work, I want there to already be a loyal fan base in your city.

    Thanks for your help!

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  13. Re:Concert, not interview! by xouumalperxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're comparing apples to oranges.

    On one side, you have a CD: It has a more or less fixed (for any given project) initial production cost, and costs a tiny amount per copy to make virtually limitless amounts of copies of it. On the other side, you have a concert, each night an individual piece of work, with hard-capped supplies for tickets. Of course the prices for one and the prices for the other shouldn't be held to the same standard. It's sort of like expecting oil paintings to be held to the same pricing standards as mass-produced posters.

  14. Re:Tickets to his show run $89 for two !! by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Working on the logic of some assholes on here, you just said something positive about something, ergo you must be a shill for Tool.

    Anyway, Tool aren't bad. I've been a NIN fan for about 14 years now, and in 2000, I started boycotting RIAA CD releases. Trent's new album this year, "Year Zero", is the first CD I've bought in seven years. Why did I buy it? Had it been a traditional release, I would never have bought it most likely, despite being a huge fan of Trent's work. However, Trent's marketing, in particular leaking several tracks on USB drives and dumping them at various concert venues was enough to hook me (not to mention the multiple websites and the extremely elaborate back story for the whole album). Because of all that, I wound up buying the CD the week it was released.

    Trent has already said that once his contract with Interscope is up (one more album) he's going to an online distribution model and not bothering with a label.

    As for Trent's comments... I already knew his attitude toward the labels. On that video I'm more interested in the fact there seems to be not one for TWO security guys right in front of the person with the camera not doing anything about the dude with the camera.:)