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US Register of Copyrights Says DMCA Is 'Working Fine'

Linnen writes "CNET News.com writer Anne Broache reports that the head of the US Copyright Office considers the DCMA to be an important tool for copyright owners. '"I'm not ready to dump the anticircumvention," [Register of Copyrights Marybeth Peters] said in response to a question from an audience member who suggested as much. "I think that's a really important part of our copyright owners' quiver of arrows to defend themselves." The law also requires that the Copyright Office meets periodically to decide whether it's necessary to specify narrow exemptions to the so-called anticircumvention rules. (Last year, the government decided it's lawful to unlock a cell phone's firmware for the purpose of switching carriers and to crack copy protection on audiovisual works to test for security flaws or vulnerabilities.)'"

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  1. Who do they work for? by jshriverWVU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thought the copyright office was to serve the people not an individual? Granted an author should get special treatment on something he has created, but at DMCA is about limiting fair use on "the people". So no, it's not effective imho.

    1. Re:Who do they work for? by jshriverWVU · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree. My point was if you made the toaster, at least you and only you should have the right to make and sell those toasters. But once someone buys the toaster it is their property, if they want to take it apart, hit it with a hammer, or use it for spare parts then it's their option as a consumer.

      As long as I've been following these stories, it all comes down to people not really selling you anything anymore but a very restrictive right to rent something.

    2. Re:Who do they work for? by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, it's worse than that.

      Take something that isn't covered by copyright law.. say, the recipe to a cake, or whatever.

      You give it to my friend after making him sign an NDA stating that he will return all copies to you after 30 days.

      My friend gives it to me and I make a copy.

      After 30 days, my friend gives the original back to you.

      I start selling my copy. What recourse do you have?

      If you can prove that my friend gave me the original to copy, you can sue my friend for any loss of revenue that you can prove you have suffered as a result of my competition.. but you can't stop me from selling copies.

      That's what copyright stops.. the ability of third parties to make copies. And the result is not in the public interest.

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  2. DMCA is indeed working fine! by prxp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The assertion is absolutely correct. DMCA is working fine.
    DMCA was designed to protect copyright, and it is protecting it.
    The question we should be asking ourselves is whether or not copyright (the way it is righ now) is protecting public interest.

  3. Its a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Granted an author should get special treatment on something he has created

    These days, authors usually don't retain the copyrights on their works. Their publishers get them.

    I don't know if this is true of bookwriting, but it is true of music. Also, chemical/scientific patents of any form are usually held by a large corporation that provided funding, rather than the scientist/engineer who created it. The same goes for most non-open-source software. Also, the wealthy production companies wind up owning the copyrights on movies....not the actors, musicians, painters, stuntmen, scriptwriters etc.

    So....in general...the talent doesn't own the work, but rather the investor owns the work. Hence, it is the investor that gets special treatment (which seems to amount to control over the private property (hardware) of millions of consumers across the globe) So these laws do not protect the workers so much as the large businesses that pay them.

    It's just another case of the rule of the rich.

    1. Re:Its a lie by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's just another case of the rule of the rich.
      Hmm. The point of copyright is to promote science and useful arts (or whatever) by making them profitable. The benefit doesn't just extend to the publishers or the artists, but to the entire community. The copyright holders get their money (assuming people like their work), and the people get their culture. Certain measures, like the DMCA, which strengthen the copyright holder's grip on their work aren't necessarily bad for the people. While they can curtail certain fair use rights, they can also help slow piracy, thus providing more incentives for more investment in culture. Also, buy stimulating the industry, there are economic benefits which also help the entire population. It's a case of weighing up the advantages and disadvantages to the entire population. Perhaps we weren't making enough use of our fair-use rights as an entire population to make them worth keeping?
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  4. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you have any idea how many products are never going to be made because of that stupid law or how much more money you are paying for the limited number of products that are being sold? Then again maybe you another industry plant? I have to wonder about that now since it has come out the Media Defender is using plants on these sites to try to quell disent. They are paid to watch for negative posts and react as quickly as possibly with post designed to bury and weaken their efects.

  5. Re:Duh by cHALiTO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If that was true, marketing would be completely pointless.

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  6. Prime Example by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Prime example of why the copyright laws are borked - arrows aren't used for defense. They're used for offense. If that's the sort of analogy being thought up by those in power, if gives you an idea of their mindset...

  7. Re:Duh by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

    eventually created a market where you *must* buy the product

    Well, "must" might be going a bit far. I mean, we could all just live without music or movies. Of course, we could also live without the internet, computers, electricity, running water, houses, and civilization in general. A person could technically survive living in the woods, gathering berries from the local plant life and things like that... I guess.

    On the other hand, I think you're right that people won't always be given the choice of a "better product". There are situations where it is simply not in the best interest of a company to produce a better product, particularly when a single entity (or several colluding entities) control a market.

  8. Incorrect by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Incorrect in at least two respects:

    First, the DMCA was designed not to protect copyrights, but to extend them... far beyond what was allowed by law before.

    Second, it is not "working fine". I think most people agree that it has done a shitty job of "protecting" anything except Corporate interest in a defunct business model. Further, it has hurt the market, consumers, and industry in general. If you want to know how, see the "unintended consequences" report on the eff.org website.

    Copyrights were established to encourage the arts and sciences, in order to further the public interest in these fields. Those are the words that were used when the laws were first established. Copyrights were allowed for a limited time, so that people would have an incentive to create original works. After that, the public gets them. But the main interest has always been that of the public! The problem was that the public could not just take what others created, because then individuals would have no reason to do the creating. Copyrights were a compromise.

    Today, certain copyright laws exist in the interest of not the public, but of private interests who want to preserve those rights and profit from them forever. That is NOT in the interest of the public, and was NEVER the idea behind copyright or patent law. Until now.

    The DMCA and similar laws passed since were always bad ideas. I would say that they have outlived their usefulness, but I think it is obvious now that they were never really "useful" to society in the first place.

  9. Re:The True Legacy of the DMCA by FauxPasIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > I will get modded down and flamed to death here at slashdot for giving the other side of the story.

    Nice job, there's now a smouldering crater where that straw man used to be. As far as I know, the conventional wisdom on Slashdot isn't that copyright should be abolished completely, or made unduly hard to enforce. Many of us are copyright holders.

    Speaking only for myself, I object to the DMCA because it lacks concrete provisions protecting fair use; academic analysis, review, parody, copying for backup, time-shifting, transfer to other media. I submit that a copyright law which lacks those provisions is deleterious to the public interest far out of proportion to how much it might benefit copyright holders like yourself, and that it should be scrapped altogether until such time as a suitable law can be adopted.

    We might even have an interesting debate on that point, i/e the relative value to society of strict copyright versus fair use. But to characterize the landscape of this issue as "Support the DMCA or support widespread, bald-faced piracy" is disingenuous.

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  10. Re:Has It Ever Worked? by Darkforge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can anyone point to one or more big cases where the DMCA helped and the person/people wronged would have been without recourse before the DMCA that aren't abuses?


    It's important in cases like these to differentiate between the DMCA's take-down/"safe harbor" rules and the DMCA's anti-circumvention provision.

    The take-down rules probably ARE a reasonable balance between copyright holders and ordinary joes; certainly that's YouTube's position. Under the DMCA take-down rules, YouTube can't be sued for hosting illegal material, but rather the copyright holder (e.g. Viacom) has to send take-down letters specifying exact material to be removed. Users get notified that their material is taken down, and are allowed to send counterclaims to defend themselves. /. posted a story about this working earlier this week: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/13/2028206.

    It's not at all clear what would have happened in that case without the DMCA; the DMCA came into existence partly to make it clear/formal what should happen when people violate copyright online. In a material sense, I don't think YouTube could exist unless the DMCA existed, in the sense that I don't think they'd have big investors (e.g. Google) willing to risk their money without the DMCA's safe harbor provisions. (Without the DMCA, YouTube could argue in court that they ought to be treated as a safe harbor, but they'd be on considerably shakier grounds.)

    The anti-circumvention provision is the one that totally sucks. That's the provision that says that you aren't allowed to develop and distribute tools to circumvent DRM. (It's also the one that impacts researchers the most.) The point of that provision is simply to discourage people from developing and distributing DRM cracks. Since it's supposed to act as a disincentive, you wouldn't expect to find a big public "example" of it working; you'd expect fewer cracks to be developed and for those cracks to be criminally penalized when they are made available.
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  11. Unforseen Consequence by tehcrazybob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with the circumvention clause, at least to me, is that it disallows an activity which seems to me as though it should be perfectly legitimate.

    I want to buy a DVD, take it home, and rip it to my hard drive, then store the DVD itself in my closet. Then I want to stream it to the media center connected to my TV. That is to say, I want to give them money and then use the video in my own home. I don't want to share it with friends, I don't want to sell it, and I don't want to waste my bandwidth sharing it with the world. I just want to watch it without having to deal with the physical disk.

    Alternately, I could buy a movie download. But then I would still want to use my own media player, not whatever software they thought I should use, so I would still have to circumvent.

    However, thanks to the anti-circumvention clause, I might as well skip the money-to-them part and just pirate my movies. I'm breaking the law either way.

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  12. Re:Duh by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A person could technically survive living in the woods, gathering berries from the local plant life and things like that... I guess.

    Unfortunately even that option is not possible. In what woods would this neo-primative live? I sure hope it's property that he owns, and has a fund setup to pay property taxes in perpetuity. I hope he doesn't ever what to have children, because the state would take them away. I hope never encounters the police, as they may well assume that he is some kind of homeless squatter and haul him away, perhaps after tasering him for resisting arrest. I hope the local county doesn't pass any ordinances on minimum house size, or lawn maintainence. One of the most annoying problems that the modern America has is that they don't know how to leave people alone, even on their own property or concerning their own property.

    Living in or even beside society requires a steady stream of money, and that usually means a job, and that increasingly requires a mobile phone, and quasi-fashionable clothes, and transportation. Consumerism isn't entirely optional, and the more you have to deal with society, the less optional it is.

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  13. Re:Unforseen Posts. by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Coincidently bypassing anti-circumvention devices does make it easier for some* to violate copyright."

    Incorrect. it'd be easier without having to bypass. However, creating an artificial barrier with anti-circumvention is only a short term solution for protecting copyrights. Which means it's not really a solution at all.

    "And it's the policy I signed with Farmer's insurance that's "forcing" me to follow their business model. Darn I wished there was no contract law making me."

    Wow, that's not even remotely analogous. The protection of Apple's business model has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with contract law. A better analogy would be General Motors forcing you to only use General Motors parts. Or a refrigerator manufacturer forcing you to only use particular brands of foods. Merely because the government enacted a law which allows such a practice.

    "It's also a part of COPY-right."

    Actually no. We used to have a fair use right to copy software, but due to encryption we no longer do. Thus, the the encryption is given more protection than the actual copyrighted material. It's the same with a music CD. We in the US have a fair use right to make non-commercial mix tapes for friends and family. But if the CD is encrypted, that right disappears. Once again, it's not protecting the copyrighted music, it's the encryption that it given higher protection.

    "And yet no one seems to have a problem with buying cheap printers or cellphones. How odd."

    I don't even understand how that's even relevant. Are you saying that the government should be in the business of protecting business models that would never survive without protection? I long for the good old days when Conservatives wanted the government out of the way, not interfering with our daily lives.

    "The thing with the decay of a society isn't the "I'm in it for myself". Nor is it the "I'm doing it for others". It's the imbalance between the two were the former ultimately subsumes the later.

    Once again, pure nonsense. My point, which you failed to refute, is that the DMCA does not protect copyrights. it protects business models. The overwhelming success of P2P and bittorrent proves that. And furthermore, if anything is causing the decay of our society it's governments locking up of thoughts and ideas... not the use of those thoughts and ideas.

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