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US Senate Fails To Reinstate Habeas Corpus
Khyber notes that yesterday a vote in the US Senate fell four votes short of what was needed to restore habeas corpus — the fundamental right of individauls to challenge government detention. Here is the record of the vote on the Cloture Motion to restore Habeas Corpus. Article 4 of the US Constitution states that habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless in cases of rebellion and invasion when the public safety may require it.
Good job on getting some common sense and reality as fp on this article. Too bad there are people who already posted without reading this.
Not 'partisan'. Republican.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
What a totally loaded statement. No wonder it got voted down. Hidden agendas should always be outed.
So how exactly does the United States enforce the supposed "inherent right for all humans" to have Habeas Corpus when you hippy types get your panties all in a wad anytime the United States tries to implement US policies anywhere outside our borders? Are we "occupying" Iraq, perhaps to institute your mythical view of the US Constitution? If not, should we? If we should, then why do you and your ilk complain so loudly when we do?
to my Republican Overlords for keeping the soil of my precious judicial system clean from the terrorist scum.
Added Pressly: "Oh, and by the way, milk is nothing but liquid meat."
While thats a nice principle and I agree, in principle, you missed some important points.
If he did, you're certainly not pointing it out. You are so incredibly wrong as to most likely be insane or a troll. A little very simple common sense and some third grade level reading comprehension would have prevented you from demonstrating yourself to be a liar or a fool (or both, of course).
So let's go over your idiotic attempt at making a point at which you failed so totally:
The constitution only applies to US citizens because it is only upheld by US Citizens.
If you spent ten seconds thinking about what you said you could have easily come up with a dozen examples demonstrating the totally lack of any sanity whatsoever to that completely idiotic statement.
You could have actually read some of the otehr posts explaining at a third grade level (the highest you could possibly hope to understand given your demonstrated lack of anything approaching an ability to think rationally.) how exactly you're wrong.
But for a really really simple example of how stupid what you said is, think about this.
I don't uphold drug laws, nor support them in any form. According to you, Einstein, that means that those laws do not apply to me and therefore I can go smoke a joint in front of the police station with no fear?
Pretty fucking stupid, right? Well that was exactly what you said.
Not to mention that first part "We the People of the United States..." indicates we are only talking about citizens and people (legal aliens) of the US.
So you take one part of a sentence out of context, obviously fail to read the rest and then expect to be treated as anything but the lying fool you've *proven* yourself to be?
"We the People" are the ones *establishing* the Constitution. That isn't a list of the people to whom it applies, nor could a sane person with any intelligence possibly make a mistake like that. You lied about something really obvious there, Sparky. In fact what you lied about was the rest of the sentence you quoted. That's really really stupid to lie about something that obvious.
Also, if you want to assume your point correct, then the Constitution applies to everyone, therefore we should be able to enforce it for everyone, otherwise we are in fact a mockery of your point and we really only mean ourselves after all.
Again, you really shouldn't speak in public when you're as stupid as you continually prove yourself to be.
The constitution applies to our government. Therefore it holds where our government has jurisdiction. It applies to people in this country.
Do you see how actually reading the words and knowing what they means helps you make simple basic logical connections like that?
You could learn to do that if you actually tried. But it certainly seems like you're happy to be known as a liar and a fool. You couldn't have posted anything that obviously retarded otherwise, now could you?
Seriously, I have to assume that we aren't blowtorching, amputating, skin peeling, anal assaulting, eye gouging, etc.
Why would you ever assume anything so silly?
You do know that it's *your job* to make certain that you *know* whether or not that is the case and kill the people in charge if it is the case, right?
That's what being a citizen is.
You have stated your case that you are not a citizen, do not care to man up and take on the responsibilities of a citizen and would prefer the delusional feeling of safety granted subjects.
Seriously, "assuming" that our government isn't doing the wrong things as they've been repeatedly caught doing in increasingly treasonous ways over the years is pure unadulterated stupidity.
Pull your head out of your ass and think. Quit assuming that your delusional fantasies are somehow magically true in spite of all evidence being to the contrary.
so assuming you know more then what some biased group it telling you, you would understand that we don't view things the same way as they do. No, it is mean to annoy them into saying something. It is meant to confuse them into forgetting what they have said and slipping something useful in. It isn't mental cruelty or demeaning to anyone except the person who is being interrogated. After all, they aren't doing this stuff in front of others. Outside the tied up, I don't think anyone has ever suggested the rest has happened. And that is my point. You go, and when I say you i mean all the biased people attempting to prove a point, and take something, blow it out of portion and then claim it is something it is not. You take isolated instances caused by unprofessional soldier with little training and oversight and act like it is happening everywhere with the permission of the government. This couldn't be further from the truth. But when has the truth ever stopped the opposition?
Ok, dude, you win. US soldiers and agents are butchering prisoners by the thousands, right now, even as we speak. Happy?
No, why would I be happy to have you change one ignorant uninformed answer for another? My hope is for you to actually think.
The fact is that we do not know whether or not that is happening and the people in charge are doing all in their power to prevent us from ever having the ability to determine if they are now or ever in the future are doing such things.
Those are the facts, so saying it isn't happening is an ignorant lie. Saying it is (on that scale, we know it is going on) is the same.
Also interesting that if you really think we have 80's Central American death squad action going on, you'd best keep your fucking mouth shut, too.
I didn't say that. You said that thinking something like that could happen was crazy talk. I pointed out that it has already happened very recently and the mass murderer in charge of the operation is back in a high profile position.
That is likewise a fact which *proves* your assertion to be entirely ignorant and delusional.
So all I want you to do is quit ignoring and denying very important relevant facts in order to pretend that there couldn't possibly be a problem.
In short, all I want out of you is a little bit of honesty.
Why is that so extremely difficult for you?