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Law Firm Fighting For White Collar (IT) Overtime
Maximum Prophet writes "Programmers and System Administrators typically don't get overtime. A law firm based in Nevada is looking to stand up for white-collar workers around the country, trying to reverse decades-old (and incorrect) thinking about what it means to work in an office. 'Computer workers of various stripes, for example, have commonly not been paid for their extra hours ... But under California law, the exemption applies only for workers whose primary function involves "the exercise of discretion and independent judgment." In numerous lawsuits, Thierman and other plaintiffs' attorneys have alleged that legions of systems engineers, help desk staff, and customer service personnel do no such thing. Of programmers, Thierman says, "Yes, they get to pick whatever code they want to write, but they don't tell you what the program does ... All they do is implement someone else's desires.'"
If you don't like the hours, don't get into the business. There are plenty of Indians that like to program too. The more we act like Detroit in the 1970s, the more we will be like Detroit in 2007.
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Depends, that can be interpreted pretty broadly.
Joe/Jane cablepuller for example, doesn't exercise this often. His job is to pull cable and wire cabinets, pretty simple.
Joe/Jane router-rebooter / windows reinstaller, same thing. Problem A = Solution A
Joe/Jane java-programmer, probably more along the lines of a typist. (Problem A, Java cookbook solution A)
IT is viewed more as a support role, supporting the people who DO make the decisions. When IT workers eventually ramp up their credentials (we need more engineers in IT), then maybe this will be overturned. Right now, IT is the refuge of the undereducated, 'self-taught' windows reinstaller , cable-puller, and typist, ie: programmer.
Sweet, a law gets enacted to geniunely protect the local workers and workers in general and they find a way to twist it and interpret it into a way to fuck with them. :)
A class action lawsuit on this would never stand but it's a nice thought
"I envy them sometimes."
We can tell, we saw the unrepentant slobbering over them in your post.
"Well, relaxation and proper diet is just as important to being healthy. "
He said, "lazy, fat slobs" nothing in there about "healthy" so shut up please.
"Having to be a workaholic stresses your heart and body a lot more than them."
"Lazy, fat..." nothing in there about stress either. Did you actually read the post or are you just stupid?
"So they probably are healthier and actually work harder and more productively..."
That is just plain moronic. I know you don't agree, but you're an idiot so that's no surprise.
God what a eurowhore, making excuses for the stupid shit euros say about Americans. Have you considered moving there so we don't have to listen to your idiotic justifications for their jingoism?
You speak on and on about fear mongering but all you do not give a single rational argument against unions. All you do is try to associate a simple, healthy, life improving initiative that aims to protect worker's rights with evil, oppressive initiatives like the US's patriot act. If that wasn't enough to satisfy your trolling needs, you go on associating unions with organized crime and corruption.
Obviously, you didn't read, much less comprehend what I said. I guess that must be the hallmark of a union education. Teachers unions did great for you, I see!
Explain to me how unions work. You name me one company that could get unionized, such that, the customers of that company would not immediately flock somewhere else once that company's prices shot up.
Please, go right ahead. Your only answer to this, is that, everyone has to be unionized. So, the end game of your worker's rights is to make them slaves.
idiot.
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Another Nanny-state directive. I'm not sure which is worse, the people in IT complaining about working indoors, making in many cases several times the rest of the world, or Califonian "do gooders" trying to muck it up.
I was part of that world, IT, back before my Mom had a stroke and a fall; she's just getting over a heart-valve replacement, and I've been here almost seven years. There are no Linux jobs here, everything's still being done on Bill's toy, so an MCSE allows one to work for burger-money, but they can work anywhere. Me, I work in a Japanese resturant, mopping floors, washing dishes, and praying I make it to the end of the shift. It's real work; when it's done, I can tell. Sure, I'd rather be setting up a supercomputer in Chicago, but family comes first.
At every opportunity, TheFed wants to step in, over their limits, and control us. What's scary is that a huge chunk of people think it's a good idea.
THINK: When was the last time the government came in and _solved_ a problem? When was the last time it ever did anything with effeciency? With paranoia about missing documents and personal privacy unloading everywhere, HOW ON EARTH CAN ANYONE TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE than it already is?
(And you guys in IT cryin' about long hours...grab a mop and meet me at the sushi bar.)
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