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FDIC Closes Netbank, One of the First Online Banks
An anonymous reader writes "NetBank, one of the first internet banks in the country was closed by the FDIC on Friday. Being a loyal customer for 8 years, I am saddened that an institution that provided me with so much great service and a cool, hi tech way to conduct my financial transactions is shutting down. Seems that mortgage defaults are to blame: 'NetBank's closure marks the first bank to close since the recent U.S. housing boom deflated. Critics have said that weak underwriting standards have led to record number of homeowners entering the foreclosure process. But NetBank's rare Internet-based business strategy made it a unique financial institution and its problems aren't expected to mirror issues facing other mortgage lenders, analysts say.'"
It is the Office of Thrift Supervision that has closed NetBank, not FDIC: http://www.ots.treas.gov/docs/7/777071.html
Yep, It's a bubble and some people are going lose their shirts.
"It's a great time to buy a house."
"You'll never lose money in real estate".
"Real Estate is a great investment".
"Sone else is bidding on the property".
Bottom line is with stagnant median income, people just can't afford a house. The real estate sector, after an unprecidented run up, is undergoing correction and it will be long and will take some people under. If you're renting or can afford your mortgage, you'll do okay. Every else might as well mail in the keys. If the debt is to netbank, send the jingle mail to ING direct instead. This is the downside of mass immigration and easy money, people. Time to buck up!
Inventor of the LOLbalrog meme.
You shouldve kept it under the mattress. No. If my credit union or bank closed tomorrow, I could withdraw all of my funds, up to the bank's insured amount -- which is more than I or most other Americans make in a year.
Now, if I had instead invested my money and bought shares of the bank, then I'd be up shit creek without a paddle. But that's why stocks pay more -- because they're riskier, and so they have to or no one would buy them.
ING Group is pretty major, I don't think they are going under any time soon (ING Direct is one of their divisions). However if it does, you needn't worry as mentioned this is what FIDC insurance is for. Up to $100,000 of your deposit is covered by the FDIC. So unless you've got more than that in there, you are fine. If you do have more, may I suggest you seek the services of a financial consultant, as that is too much money to just leave sit in a bank account, even one with a reasonable interest rate.
It largely depends. Many banks have "money market" accounts that are classified as savings accounts as far as the FDIC is concerned and are insured. Many money market accounts are in fact uninsured as well.
Netbank had a "money market" account which was FDIC insured - at least as far as I'm aware (and I did take the time to find out).
I'm guessing it comes down to whether the bank wanted to follow FDIC rules regarding investments/limits/reserves/etc. Most money market mutual funds don't - but they're still very safe due to their investment profile. Also - most non-FDIC-insured money market funds tend to be privately insured against anything but investment risk.
Bottom line is - anybody with any kind of account no matter what it is called or where it is held should be aware of its FDIC-insurance status. Many banks have both insured and non-insured investment products.
The banks won't be bailed out nor will the owners or shareholders of the banks. The banks' customers will be.
A fine is a tax you pay for doing wrong and a tax is a fine you pay for doing all right.
What exactly did the Bush administration do wrong, as far as economic management goes? No matter who was in power, after 9/11 any politician would have drastically increased homeland security and military spending. The Bush Tax cuts were very popular, and would have been implemented anyway, whether or not Bush was in power. Not only that, but while corruption is very photogenic, it's effects have been economically negligible. Our deficit is mostly the result of highly enlarged entitlement spending, which I just can't see tied to George Bush.
You seem to think that presidents are relevant to macroeconomic trends. This is a common political delusion, but in the absence of massively stupid legislation(On the level of what has been seen in Latin America), the Federal Reserve bank is the only office with any real power.
"This housing boom, OTOH, everyone did have to play. Even renters pay more when houses prices are up, although at least they won't have to watch the value of their house plummet. And it's left us with no tangible benefits at all except millions of shoddy McMansions."
Of course, all that we are left with are millions of homes. What use could they serve?
"We could have put that same amount of effort and money in alternate energy, and be in the middle of a nice stock correction now, where alternate energy company stocks are dropping through the floor and being picked up by a few big players which are merging with the big energy suppliers who are just now realizing they need to change their business plan. Which wouldn't hurt John Q. Public at all. John Q. Public, in fact, came out ahead because he got 'sponsored' for solar panels and that company, with a crappy business plan, went out of business, like during the tech crash."
Really? How exactly could we have done that?
My wife used to work for Netbank, at their HQ here in Atlanta.
After her previous company downsized, she talked to Netbank about a job; her first in-person interview was scheduled for September 11, 2001. Oooops. We saw the second tower hit live on the Today show right before she left; once she got there, the nation's entire financial industry went into lockdown, and she spent the whole day sitting in the lobby of their offices. Heh. Was that some kind of omen?
Anyway, she got the job, and went to work doing business analysis -- which promotions actually drew in new customers, what percentage of new customers retained their accounts, et cetera; she also maintained the list of ATMs that were in service and in their network; and was responsible for generating the customer lists for both the various e-mail contacts and the annual privacy policy mailings ( <geek_meat> SAS and SQL, mostly </geek_meat> ).
She really liked her job, and she liked her co-workers.
The turning point for Netbank, IMHO, came after the retirement of one of its founders and a merger with another online bank called RBMG which was located in Columbia, SC (which is, ironically, where we lived before we moved to Atlanta years ago). There were the usual issues of corporate culture which arise during mergers; there were issues regarding differing customer expectations (she ran studies on customer surveys which showed dramatically different attitudes, expectations, and opinions between customers from RBMG and customers from Netbank); there were issues arising from the fact that, although the company retained its Netbank name and identity (and the deal was structured as a Netbank acquisition of RBMG), the center of gravity for the new company was in Columbia, with the former RBMG; and, frankly (again, IMHO), there were issues with RBMG's upper management and corporate strategy.
Netbank "Classic" had been focussed on, and content with, being, well, a bank. Checking and savings, CDs and Money Markets; you know the drill. RBMG, though, had aspirations both grander and farther afield, starting with mortgages (in fact, the "MG" in "RBMG" stood for "Mortgage Group").
That didn't work out too terribly well.
By last year, there were some signs of strain. While the overwhelming majority of folks working in Atlanta and Columbia (and Jacksonville) were really great, and on the ball, there was a bit of a corporate malaise; RBMG ran what seemed to me to be a less employee-friendly operation (one of the first things they did, for instance, was move Netbank's Atlanta HQ from its basic "A" or "B" office space into a semi-crappy converted former retail space which was, at best, a high "C" quality office space). The bad vibe was subtle at first, but it was certainly there; and as the mortgage business began sucking more and more, money got tighter and tighter, and things got less and less functional.
Finally, as last year began to wind down, more and more employees started to jump ship from my wife's group. Eventually, it got to the point where she was more or less forced to jump ship, simply because everyone else already had, and she would be left in department that couldn't possibly do all of the things it was expected to.
By the time she left, right at the end of the year, there was a really grim air about the place; and we got to look on in horror this year as her company stock shares rapidly declined in value to the point where it wasn't even worth bothering to sell them.
We still have a Netbank account with a small amount of money in it, and a lingering bittersweet fondness for the brand and the people who worked for it; but we're certainly not regretting her decision to leave, that's for sure.
A FICO score of 760 isn't "good" it's great. 650-700 is B to B+ credit (generally one can qualify for a loan but your rates will not be optimum). The scale looks something like this:
475 bottom of the barrel. If you want a loan, you're going to get eaten alive. (30% interest rates, etc.)
525 - 475 your credit really sucks. Like above, though you risk is considered somewhat less. 20-25% interest rates.
600 - 525 Credit isn't in good shape, but you can qualify. Interest rates will be high, (20% on average).
700 - 600 Average credit for a consumer. You qualify for most things, but your rates will still be ugly (15% - 20%).
800 - 700 Good credit. Good rates. People who pay their bills on time and don't have any unpaid debt (collections) fall into this range.
800 + These are the people that qualify for 0% interest for the life of the loan, etc.
FICO is just a small part of the underwriting process and there are many other factors that are taken into consideration by lenders. Mostly these include:
PTI (payment to income ratio)
DTI (debt to income ratio)
High Credit
Deliquincies (number of, severity).
Most lending institutions have their own criteria for lending (called lending guidelines) and they vary widely.
Generally the underwriting process looks something like this:
Get your FICO. If it doesn't immediately disqualify you, then look at the other factors (DTI, PTI, etc.).
If your profile passes those, they'll give you money, otherwise they don't.
Where you fall within those limits will effect the interest rate that the lender will apply to you.
Other factors to consider:
Time of year. --> Generally buying happens seasonally and you can get better deals during the down periods (August, February)
Time of month. --> Lending institutions have monthly lending goals. Underwriters will pass you through the system if you're border line to meet their quotas.
Sorry about the adhoc tutorial on credit.