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VM-Based Rootkits Proved Easily Detectable
paleshadows writes "A year and a half has passed since SubVirt, the first VMM (virtual machine monitor) based rootkit, was introduced (PDF), covered in the tech press, and discussed here. Later Joanna Rutkowska made news by claiming she had a VMM-based attack on Vista that was undetectable — a claim that was roundly challenged. Now in this year's HotOS workshop, researchers from Stanford, CMU, VMware, and XenSource have published a paper titled Compatibility Is Not Transparency: VMM Detection Myths and Realities (PDF) showing that VMM-based rootkits are actually easily detectable."
Unfortunately, this paper completely misses the point. This paper is not so much about detecting a VM based rootkit so much as it is about detecting VMs in general. The authors argue is that if you detect a VM when you aren't expecting to, you've found a rootkit. Joanna's argument is that in a few years, everything is going to be using VM technology and you won't be able to tell a "good" VM from a "bad" one.
See virtualization-detection-vs-blue-pill and her presentation on the subject here. No one ever said that detecting a virtual machine is impossible. They are saying discriminating between malicious and non-malicious VMs is impossible.
This is undetectable*!
That is undetectable*!
* Undetectability based on current technology and the fact that nothing about a given vector of attack has been defined or studied in depth yet. Claim subject to change once the phenomenon has been studied, quantified, and dissected in a rational, forensic manner.
Translation: You can't detect it because you aren't looking for it (yet).
Translation 2: This new attack can't be defeated because nobody's tried yet!
That's what so many of these "security researchers" and pretty much ALL of the tech-press forgets.
Like any other system security compromise, the amount of time these things remain "compromising" depends largely on how long it takes to define it.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
VMWare is virtualization software, not emulation software. It runs pretty close to native speed, depending on what you run on it. Comparing it to bochs is just stupid, that's a full blown emulator. A VM still uses your processor natively to decode the majority of instructions, it just catches the privileged ones, that otherwise would make your OS go boom. (Simply put)
Folks, this is the Halting Problem. If you have a foolproof method of detecting that you’re running in a VM, you can build a special-purpose VM that watches for that method specifically to defeat it.
Similarly, you can’t ever rule out the possibility that you yourself are living in a Matrix-style (etc.) simulated world. You might be able to detect that you are under certain circumstances, but any sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality. No, really!
Oh — and all this applies equally to any supposedly “omnipotent” deities you might care to propose. After all, if “God” could trap “The Devil” (to pick the current favorite pair of arch-rival gods) in a simulated world such that The Devil thought that he (The Devil) was the all-powerful creator of life, the universe, and everything ... then God has no way of knowing that The Devil hasn’t done the same to him. And if God doesn’t have any foolproof way of knowing whether or not The Devil has him trapped, and if he himself has no foolproof way of trapping The Devil, it hardly makes any kind of sense to describe God as “all-powerful,” now, does it?
Cheers,
b&
All but God can prove this sentence true.