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Microsoft Wants To Read Your Brain

Simon Night writes "Microsoft has entered the realm of brain machine interfaces, attempting to patent a method of classifying brain states from EEG input. 'Human beings are often poor reporters of their own actions,' the patent application notes, so reading directly from your brain is a preferred option."

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  1. Hrmmmm.... I don't think so. by BWJones · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've spent a fair amount of time looking at this problem (as have others with certain agencies who have invested not insignificant amounts of money) and I can tell you that this is pretty much up in the night kinda speculation. Technical issues of obtaining clean EEG signals in a convenient manner aside, the origins of techniques like this to classify comes from the epilepsy literature, where folks attempt to classify interictal seizure spikes, but also from the sleep and awareness literature (both of which have been reasonably successful, yet are still lacking optimal tools). Granted, there are rather dramatic global state changes that occur with different states of consciousness, but this application focuses principally on the awake EEG. Specifically they quote the P300 signal which the FBI and CIA are using (trying to use) for lie detection, but the problem here is that the P300 is only an evoked potential that simply tells you whether or not someone recognizes an input (audio, visual, tactile etc...). So all questions or inputs into the system have to be crafted to understand that one is looking for an evoked potential with no necessary context in place to explain that evoked potential.

    So, this is not mind reading per se nor is it a means to break cognitive processing into temporal windows to determine intent in any of those potential epochs. At its very basic fundamentals this is simply a rehash of signal detection theory doing simple Fourier analysis to "classify" brain waves. But the thing here is that there is no science behind using these signals to interpret what one is thinking even with the invocation of Bayesian networks. There are a number of other more promising methods for classifying data that have been in the literature and commonly used by a number of other disciplines that I am surprised have not made it into the EEG literature yet.

    In short.... in my assessment, this is a patent proposal without much in the way of novelty or benefit to the problem at hand.

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    1. Re:Hrmmmm.... I don't think so. by Otter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I liked their use of that highly technical term: "too squiggly".

      But the thing here is that there is no science behind using these signals to interpret what one is thinking even with the invocation of Bayesian networks.

      It sounds like they were using this method to optimize the complexity of interfaces depending on the user's level of "confusion". (E.g., when the user is in a state of panic, the graph wizard in Excel could offer three or four styles of graph, instead of 12. One of the Linux makers with Microsoft patent licensing could adapt it to look at such a user and decide "Y'know, you probably don't need the GIMP...") I doubt they've tried anything as ambitious as knowing what the user is thinking.

  2. This seems like one of those few stories... by dottyslashdottydot · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...where the Bill-Gates-as-Borg icon truly applies.

  3. Brains and thoughts by realdodgeman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "'Human beings are often poor reporters of their own actions,' the patent application notes, so reading directly from your brain is a preferred option." Translated: Humans are often trying to keep personal secrets from us, so stealing it all directly from your brain is a preferred option.

    1. Re:Brains and thoughts by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be interesting if they would be liable if there was a bug that left the system easy to hack. I mean your wife finding out your thoughts about her friend, are can't wait for our date this Friday, probably wouldn't go over too well. And the user could agrue they made personal information available that they didn't wish to disclose. Damages: ~50% of life time salary, ouch.

    2. Re:Brains and thoughts by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What it doesn't say is that humans are also great at altering their own memories -- false memories -- I have experienced this myself where, say I remember someone like a Highschool friend doing something at my 18th birthday party and then when I view the tape and he wasn't even there!

      I don't know about others, but I certainly don't put a lot of stock in human memory past a certain point. It's like an analog signal and everytime we re-remember something, we write a new record down that may introduce random errors (perhaps associations) that shouldn't be there.

  4. Obligatory Clippy reference by StarfishOne · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help?"

    1. Re:Obligatory Clippy reference by pifactorial · · Score: 5, Funny

      "It looks like you're thinking about writing a letter. I know you want help."

  5. Re:I Just Felt a Cold Chill by MoonFog · · Score: 4, Funny

    No no no, that was a sense of joy and happiness

    Yours truly, Microsoft.

    'Human beings are often poor reporters of their own actions,'

  6. So long as they use Vista speech recognition by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Funny

    as the fundamental technology, you have nothing to fear.

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  7. Oh god no! by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    *Tink tink tink!*

    GET OUT OF MY HEAD YOU ROTTEN PAPER CLIP!

    *Tink tink tink!*

    ARGHH!!! It's in my head! Aarrggghhh!

    *Tink tink tink!*

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  8. ... and hilarity ensues by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just imagine what happens if Clippy tries to cut and paste your thoughts into the letter.

    Before:
    "Dear Cindy: I'm afraid this won't work, our differences are too much"

    After:
    "Dear B**ch: Don't even dream about it, I found a girl who really knows how to- F***! How the heck do I turn this off! Don't"

    e-mail sent.

    1. Re:... and hilarity ensues by codeshack · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Dear B**ch: Don't even dream about it, I found a girl who really knows how to- F***! How the heck do I turn this off! Delete that. Delete that. I think it's picking up a little double delete the killer select all."

  9. Perhaps they're reading *my* mind? by nobodyman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Holy cow, I was just joking around, honest! Now I'm gonna have IP lawyers knocking down my door. And's it's not like I'm going to be able to lie to get myself out of this one 'cus, like, they'd know.

  10. We told you! We told you! by Trelane · · Score: 3, Funny

    We told you, but you just called us paranoiacs and laughed at our tinfoil hats! This fall, the fashion accessory is foil!

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  11. I can see it already by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "This copy of Windows will expire in 10 days unless you register your brain with Microsoft"