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OS X Leopard Ships On October 26th

David in AZ writes "According to the Apple website, Mac OS X Leopard will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Mac OS X Leopard goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, Apple announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Apple's online store. "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129.""

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  1. The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by 8127972 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."

    Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois? Or does he secretly aspire to be Ballmer? Don't get me wrong, I have a Mac and I don't like M$ as much as the next /.'er, but the bashing of M$ and Vista is starting to get old.

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    1. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by CommandNotFound · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't exactly call this 'bashing'. More of a jab. With six version of Vista, MSFT pretty much walked into that punchline.

    2. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity?
      Being mainly a linux user I don't understand your reference (something about "ultimate"?) - however, I do think the artificial limitations on most versions of Windows are very annoying. Somebody at Microsoft actually went to extra effort to restrict you to only 5 network connections. Or the fact that only one remote user can log in at once. It's just very, very Lame.
    3. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why does "The Steve" need to bash M$ & Vista at every opportunity? Is it to pander to Apple fanbois?

      Because it's an easy and slow moving target?

      I don't recall how many versions of Vista exist, and have given up trying to keep track of what is wrong generally with Vista, but if late night talk show hosts were more technically inclined, I'd wager there would be as a steady stream of jokes about Vista, at least as many as there are about embarassing celebrity goofups and blunders of the day.

      So laugh. It's funny. Hell, I don't even own a Mac, and I'm laughing. But I doubt I'm alone in saying that I am paying close attention in anticipation of my next computer purchase.

    4. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why does it cost me so much for a point release is what I want to know and why aren't people lambasting Apple for such?

      It's not like charging for a "point release" is unique to Apple. Microsoft did so for the upgrades from Windows 3.0 to 3.1, and from Windows NT 5.0 (Windows 2000) to 5.1 (Windows XP). The thing that determines whether it is worth it to users is what new functionality they get for their money, not which digit of an arbitrary numbering scheme some guy in the marketing department decided to increment.

    5. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by C0rinthian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because version number means EVERYTHING, and actual content means NOTHING.

    6. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not 5 network connections. It's 10 uncompleted outbound connections per second. You can have as many connections as you want. And if you're talking about limiting the number of people who can access shares concurrently on home systems, that's to guarantee network performance for the client machine (as it's not a server, chances are someone's using it). There are versions of windows that are engineered to support more simultaneous connections through having tweaked software installed, all of which cost money to develop, and costs to support. It's the same with remote users - XP and Vista client PCs are not servers, and the licensing model (one desktop user per installation) reflects that. More people logging in degrades the performance of the computer. They are artificial, definitely, but they're there for a good reason. If you want a computer that can do all that other stuff, go and buy a version of Windows Server 2003. It has a far more useful set of features for someone wanting to run a server, compared to the workstation versions that have a far more use set of featuers for desktop computers. Most folks find it useful to be able to spend as much money as they need to on the features they want, without having to pay extra for features they won't use. Apple appears to want to simplify the experience, which also simplifies the pricing structure, putting everyone on the same rung of the ladder.

    7. Re:The Vista bashing is starting to get old.... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if you're talking about limiting the number of people who can access shares concurrently on home systems, that's to guarantee network performance for the client machine (as it's not a server, chances are someone's using it).

      How thoughtful of them to decide not to let you choose for yourself.

      Honestly, I hope you're re-posting their justifications and didn't really come up with those yourself.

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  2. Let's see by Centurix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "According to the Microsoft website, Windows Vista will start shipping on October 26! From their blurb: 'Packed with more than 300 new features, Windows Vista goes on sale Friday, October 26, at 6:00 p.m. at Microsoft's retail stores and Microsoft Authorized Resellers, Microsoft announced today. And, beginning today, customers can place pre-orders on Microsoft's online store. "Vista, the nth major release of Window, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Bill Gates, Microsoft's CEO. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $600.""


    hmmm...
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  3. Best upgrade? by p00n0s · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs Well they wouldn't get far claiming it to be worst upgrade they've ever released...
    1. Re:Best upgrade? by Bazman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or even the second-best upgrade they ever released. Marketing eh, dontcha love it?

  4. List Moms....pfftt... by djupedal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What gets even older than that is the spelling of Microsoft as MS. Stop. It makes you appear laughable.

  5. language distortion field? by drjzzz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The "Technology" highlights include:

    Bonjour
    Holisticly provide access to ethical communities vis-a-vis client-focused

    That's it, just a string of buzzwords, not even grammatical, followed by a link to "learn more". Somebody attended too many marketing or web2.0 presentations. Or maybe they want to put the mystery back in. Turns out, it automagically configures an "instant network". The intro is curious. Does the "ethical community" description mean that security sucks?
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    1. Re:language distortion field? by Suzuran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's an intentional joke. It has to be, otherwise nobody can read it.

    2. Re:language distortion field? by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's lorem ipsum. It's standard in the design world.

  6. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by Crizp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If that works for you; fine. Some of us, though, have grown tired of fucking around with flaky wireless drivers, bad 3D support for new gfx cards etc. But we still like to be able to go to the core via the command line when necessary. We just usually like to get work done.

    So get over yourself, it obviously isn't for you. And before the "Linux noob" comments come; my servers are Slackware and have been since at least ten years ago.

  7. Translucency is so overrated by tjstork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If translucency were so great in the real world, we would be printing on onion skin and writing on glass things. But I think translucency is more to show that they can do something in 3d, done by people that have no real vision as to what to do with it.

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    1. Re:Translucency is so overrated by Drizzt+Do'Urden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do not agree!

      A translucent terminal let's me read the content under it while doing stuff in it.

      Drop shadows helps you know which windows is the front most.

  8. Re:Interesting by abigor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would he want to purposely cause himself pain? I use Linux every single day, but my main desktop is a Macbook, for very good reasons.

  9. Re:Interesting by itsdapead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find it interesting (and funny?) that all these years I've had a PC (built myself, not from Dell or such) and never once purchased a copy of Windows or felt bad about it. Now that I've had a Macbook Pro for 5 months, and have been so happy with it, I'm eagerly awaiting Leopard so that I can actually buy it

    Apple are not perfect - they have priorities and make assumptions that may not suit everyone. They tend towards a "closed" PC-as-appliance mentality, and would probably be just as monopolistic as MS if they could get away with it. They over-hype things. Sometimes they just plain screw up...

    but...

    ...you at least get the impression that you have been deprioritised, locked-in, monopolized and possibly screwed by someone with some sort of vision making an intelligent and possibly risky effort to turn out a better product rather than a committee of PHBs and marketdroids taking input from a focus group.

    Also, Apple have managed to take UNIX and wrap it in a genuinely friendly GUI front end, c.f. KDE/Gnome/X who have taken Linux and wrapped it in a usable but clunky and over-engineered GUI that is still suffering from its ancestry as a way of letting Unix geeks run 8 simultaneous instances of their favorite CLI shell in translucent windows.

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  10. Short cycle? by Ghubi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lets see... Windows 95 came around 1995, few years later there was Windows 98, couple years later we had windows ME, couple years after that we had Windows XP. Only Vista has been a long upgrade cycle, and aren't we all glad they took the extra time to make sure they got it right on Vista?

  11. Re:Not everybody gets it at $129 by prelelat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aero though probably the most known feature of vista is not necessary for its day to day use. If your computer can't handle aero turn it off. Aero is not Vista, its a feature that requires a shit load of power from the computer. If your going to bash Vista at least make a comment on its drivers, its UAC, its old file system, its many other bugs and let downs.

    Hell Aero doesn't even come with every version of vista. But when you turn it off you basically get a sp3 version of windows XP. I'm not a fan of Vista, I use Ubuntu on my desktop and XP on my laptop(had to downgrade from Vista). Every OS that I have upgraded to(windows based OS) has required some hardware changes, I mean windows 95/98 had a shit less requirements then XP.

  12. Re:SLOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    And people complain about Vista being bloated...

  13. I find your lack of vision disturbing by Shadowlore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And you've done what, exactly, with it? Your vision is where?

    Just because you don't do things such as writing on translucent materials or glass things doesn't mean the rest of us don't. Not all technology is for every person. For example, those who actually build things by hand (quilters, seamstresses, wood workers, metal workers, etc.) quite frequently use translucent or clear materials for patterns, templates, and sometimes finished products. How about clear measuring cups? I've seen chefs use clear containers and mark various levels and information on them using erasable markers. Then there is the clear surfaces with map inlays used by tactical planners and tac-rooms. In the Army, decades ago, we would use clear or translucent materials over maps to create different plans and routes, and lay them over various maps. Oh, and waaay back in elementary, junior, and senior high school, and lo even in college, transparencies were used in classrooms with overhead projectors. I've seen the use of transparent or translucent overlay "technology" used in the real world by police, firefighters, medical personnel, construction crews, demolition crews, surveyors, etc..

    So since many of us DO use it, translucency (or transparency by your reference to glass) by your own argument IS great, and you simply lack the vision to make use of it, right? It isn't translucency that is overrated, it's your post.

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  14. How do you know the Mini has not sold? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the Mini hadn't sold well, they would have dropped it by now - not did a minor update to it a few months back.

    I know a number of people that have minis, and like them (the new Intel versions are a lot more powerful than the older G4 ones).

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  15. What about Boot Camp? by el_chupanegre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure if i remember this correctly, but didn't Apple say they would be ending support for boot camp 'beta' as soon as Leopard came out? (i.e. every version that isn't leopard)

    Are our XP boot camp partitions that we have now just suddenly going to stop working? I can see people getting really pissed about that, myself included!

    On an interesting note it looks like it supports Vista properly now as well. I never wanted to just do an upgrade of my XP in case that stopped working.

    I think the age old Apple rule applies. I certainly won't be upgrading to 10.5 until it's at least 10.5.1, and people find workarounds for all the problems that will inevitably come from this upgrade

  16. Re:Bittorrent edition a non starter... by mr_josh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bull. Apple isn't wasting their time looking for pirated copies of the OS during service. PLEASE cite an example of someone being turned away for having an illegitimate copy of the OS. For that example, please cite a way of determining what is a pirated copy of the installed OS.

  17. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by Westacular · · Score: 2, Insightful

    bad 3D support for new gfx cards You're throwing stones from your glass house, inside which your pot and kettle are arguing over which is blacker.
  18. $100 every few years is much less difficult... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Than a very large Windows upgrade fee, whenever it comes.

    It might be exhausting if you didn't feel like you were getting value for the money, but as it stands each release has had a few things that were very useful - and as you said, often with nice updates to system frameworks.

    It's also helped that each release has felt faster, so buying a new copy of OSX also replaced a hardware boost I typically underwent with Windows updates.

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  19. Re:The student edition is now $47 more by holt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're going to do this, why not just pirate it outright? Either way you're violating the terms of the license agreement. Not that I'm advocating copyright infringement...