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Cisco Offices Raided, Execs Arrested In Brazil

Many readers are writing in about the raids and arrests in Brazil's Cisco operation. At least 40 people were arrested earlier today, and Brazilian authorities asked the US to issue arrest warrants for five more suspects in this country. The allegation is that Cisco brought at least $500M of equipment into Brazil without properly paying import duties, and now owes over $826M in taxes, fines, and interest.

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  1. Re:More about Brazil: by milamber3 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    At first I thought this was a joke post...

    More about Brazil:

    9) The Brazilian media constantly emphasizes violent events in
    Brazilian cities. However, the murder rate in Rio de Janeiro was, the last
    time I checked, about two-thirds of the murder rate in the U.S. capital city,
    Washington, D.C. The murder rate in Rio de Janeiro is about 60 per 100,000 people and the rate in Washington DC is about 35 per 100,000 people so you really need to work on keeping up to date if you plan to make claims like this.

    10) Brazil is the music appreciation capital of the world. Brazilians
    have all the styles of their own music, and those of other countries, too. What does this even mean. Every kind of music can be found in many many places in the US. Does that make us the music appreciation capital too? Is there some kind of international body that decides these things? I googled but came up with nothing so I'm left to assume you are just pulling things out of thin air cause they sound good.

    11) Several years ago the most popular local band in Portland, Oregon
    was Rubberneck. On an average night they would draw an
    audience of 40. A local band in a small town in Brazil drew an audience of
    800. There is going to be a lot more choices for entertainment in a place like Portland as compared to a small town in Brazil. This will lead to less people at any one show but not necessarily less going to enjoy a show. This is a weak argument that tries to make parallels where none should be made.

    12) Brazilians often know all the lyrics to numerous Brazilian songs. WTF does this mean?!? Please find a country that has music with lyrics and doesn't have people who know numerous of the songs. Then, maybe, this point would be worth typing out.

    13) There is a magazine about Brazil called Brazzil, based in Los Angeles,USA. That's good. We probably have magazines for the majority of country in the world.

    14) Brazilians are often very socially skilled. Wow, I bet they eat and sleep like normal people as well but you forgot to list it.

    15) Brazil is approximately as large as the continental United
    States. It's not a lot but since Brazil is 200,000 square miles smaller I wouldn't say it's the same size. I also wouldn't use total land mass as the best measurement. How about productivity / population?

  2. Uhhh, well, that's about 6 buckets of retarded by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you raise taxes, you get less compliance, not more. You can raise them to the point where compliance is a literal impossibility and it sounds like they are reaching that point, or passed it. The workable answer is to have reasonable taxes and work on increasing compliance.

    Imagine if a store took a similar tactic: Some people steal merchandise, and others simply choose to go to other stores. Rather than perhaps raise prices a bit to cover costs and work on advertising and loss prevention the owner says "Well because people aren't buying, I have to double prices." Now the number of shoppers drops even more, so the owner again says "Even less people are shopping here, so I have to triple my new prices." Eventually nobody at all buys anything because it's just too expensive.

    Similar shit with taxes. If the government raises your taxes a bit, maybe you complain but you still pay them. But let's suppose now that the government set them to an unaffordable level. Suppose that the government took 50% of your income, sales tax was also 50% and then other taxes like property tax added up to be over 100% of the rest of your income. Suppose that there was literally no way you could pay all the taxes. What would you do? Live in the street and try to pay them, or simply avoid them to the maximum extent possible?

    It's easy to get a high and might attitude of "Well everyone should just pay," when it's not your ass in the fire and your family going hungry. However you try it some time, see how it goes.

    If people cannot comply with the law, they just won't.

  3. Re:Only the stupid pay taxes in Brazil by amendonca · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am brazilian as well and I agree that the tax system there is idiotic. The distorted logic is that high import tariffs somehow foster the development of a national industry. It's a game of vested interests, bribes, corruption, etc.

    However, if CISCO is found guilty I will commend the authorities for what they're doing.

    Reality, my friend, is that people shouldn't choose which laws to follow, which laws to break. The involved executives, if proven guilty, are not preaching civil disobedience. Instead, they want to increase the bottom line and have a fat bonus at the end of the year. That's exactly the reason why Brazil is what it is today. And by somehow condoning or justifying their business practices we're simply perpetuating the problem. Can't we just be honest and obey the freaking law? Really ... is that too much to ask?

    Finally, your characterization of the problem with public servants in Brazil wasn't exact, I'm afraid. It's true that we don't have the entrepreneurial spirit seen in countries such as the US, and many people do grow up to work for the government, partly because of also distorted labour laws, who give these people the so called "stability", which can be understood as "I can be a slack and not get fired".

    However, many public servants are responsible citizens and you shouldn't hold that against them. Both my parents were public servants (they retired after 30-something years working) and they are some of the most hard working people I've ever seen. I have many friends who work for the government, some by choice, and they are all responsible, hard-working people. And just to clarify, I believe only congressmen and senators retire after 8 years. Statistically speaking they are the vast minority.

    My 2 cents.

    Regards,
    Andre