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Steve Jobs Announces iPhone SDK

An anonymous reader writes "It finally happened. Steve Jobs announced an iPhone SDK today. The plan is to release it in February, and the suggestion is that apps will need to be digitally signed (not unlike digital signing in Leopard). Here's hoping that developing for the iPhone/Touch will be cheap (or free) enough to allow the folks who have been writing apps to continue doing so. Says Jobs: 'It will take until February to release an SDK because we're trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once--provide an advanced and open platform to developers while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc. This is no easy task.'"

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  1. February is kind of a long time, isn't it? by hypermanng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes me suspect that Steve was caught a bit flat-footed, if it'll take until then. If this was the usual Apple release, it would be a total surprise and be available Friday or something.

    Of course, it could also be that it's taken them this long for events to prove to AT&T that resistance was ultimately futile and counterproductive. Hard to say, with that crowd.

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    1. Re:February is kind of a long time, isn't it? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple often announces things that matter to developers long in advance. Most of the developer-relevant features of Leopard were announced two years ago, for example.

      I do wonder how much of the resistance was AT&T, how much was Apple and how much was legitimate worrying about how to do things right.

      I hope the signing requirement will be a verifiable registration of your key with Apple and not a large fee of some sort. I've got a lot of third party apps on my iTouch that are excellent quality and free. Apple would be depriving themselves of most of that developer community by limiting things to large companies.

    2. Re:February is kind of a long time, isn't it? by danigiri · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "Sadly, it will almost certainly be worse -- it'll probably require payment of a large fee to AT&T, AND require approval of your specific app by AT&T itself. So you can forget freeware, anything remotely controversial, or that doesn't mesh with their Grand ARPU-increasing strategy of the week. (ARPU = Average Revenue Per User)"

      Come on, I'd say it's pointless and whinning until it is released and the final terms are known. It reminds me too much of the "no-SDK" whinning. A decent SDK takes time. You run the risk of getting this kind of whinning: "Yeah, they released this SDK along with the iPhone, but it's beta software at best, the API keeps changing, there are a lot of system updates, my iPhone keeps crashing and OMG there are exploits in the wild. They should have waited until it was ready, sheesh."

      Observe, know the facts, react accordingly.

      dani++

    3. Re:February is kind of a long time, isn't it? by DdJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      App signing cannot require in all cases the involvement of AT&T.

      Why?

      AT&T is not involved with the iPod Touch or with European iPhones at all. Apple made a point out of saying this SDK is for both the iPhone and the iPod Touch. That's meaningful.

      My prediction is that it'll be a lot like some Java handhelds. There will be a key repository. It will come with the public key of Apple and, for iPhones, for the carrier from which you currently get service. Developers will be issued a key pair, one to go onto the device they use for development, and one to sign the apps they're developing, but installing the pubic keys onto arbitrary devices will be non-trivial.

      My prediction based on that is, anyone who cares about running a wide variety of apps will register as a developer and get a key pair, and freeware apps will have to be open source, because in order to get them signed correctly, people will have to compile them from source so that they're properly signed for their own devices.

      If registering as a developer is cheap/free, I am not sure that's a bad thing...

    4. Re:February is kind of a long time, isn't it? by jd3nn1s · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting, however typically there is no necessity for an application to be compiled from source for it to be signed. People could just sign a binary.

  2. Digital signing by PlatyPaul · · Score: 5, Informative
    TFS got it wrong: Apple did not in fact say that digital signing was going to be a part of the SDK or making sure that apps are kosher.

    Here's the quote that may have misled:

    Some companies are already taking action. Nokia, for example, is not allowing any applications to be loaded onto some of their newest phones unless they have a digital signature that can be traced back to a known developer. While this makes such a phone less than totally open, we believe it is a step in the right direction. We are working on an advanced system which will offer developers broad access to natively program the iPhones amazing software platform while at the same time protecting users from malicious programs.

    So, what they're really saying is that they're hoping to do something along the same lines as signing, but not signing per se. This actually may be the most interesting part of their announcement, in that it could signal the next step forwards in indicating trust and providing clarity of who worked on what. Here's hoping it's not just repackaging.
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    1. Re:Digital signing by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Possibly. One of the new features in Leopard is digitally signed apps though, and Apple is setting up some kind of infrastructure so you can verify the signatures. It would seem likely they'll use the same system on the iPhone.

    2. Re:Digital signing by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 5, Informative

      Possibly. One of the new features in Leopard is digitally signed apps though, and Apple is setting up some kind of infrastructure so you can verify the signatures. It would seem likely they'll use the same system on the iPhone.


      I'm just going to point out that Windows has had digitally-signed apps since (at least) Windows 98, and that nearly every system library and executable in Windows XP and Windows Vista is signed. Vista even checks the signature before you see the UAC dialog, and the dialog for signed apps looks completely different (and has different keyboard shortcuts).

      Windows Mobile also has signed apps.

      Of course, I'm sure that some Mac fan is going to point out how this is another Apple innovation.
    3. Re:Digital signing by Scudsucker · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course, I'm sure that some Mac fan is going to point out how this is another Apple innovation.

      I don't know, you've set quite a high bar of snobbery for that person to top.

  3. Security by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jobs made several comments about securing iPhones and the network from malware, and the route Apple takes to do this is a big question mark. He mentioned application signing as a step in the right direction, with regard to other companies. Leopard brings support to OS X for both application signing and native sandboxing of applications for security. I wonder if Apple will employ either or both of these technologies to lock down the iPhone and, if so, how locked down they will be.

  4. Security weakness of their own making by Saunalainen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA - quoting Steve Jobs:

    Some claim that viruses and malware are not a problem on mobile phones--this is simply not true.

    The risk of damage would be a lot less damage if every app on the iPhone didnt run as root.

    1. Re:Security weakness of their own making by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow! Perhaps that will be one of the things that is addressed by the time third party apps are allowed, considering that they're not now? Could this perhaps be part of the reason (among many others) that third party apps aren't currently allowed?

      I mean, I know it would be unheard of for an issue to be addressed or fixed on an OS that is clearly undergoing active major change and development (as is evidenced by internals and framework changes between 1.0.2 and 1.1.1) in four months...

      Could the things that Jobs says Apple is working on to make the iPhone platform secure possibly include things like this, or does Jobs need to explicitly say they're addressing this exact problem in order for you to believe Apple might actually be working on the security of one of the most important and visible products in their history?

    2. Re:Security weakness of their own making by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The risk of damage would be a lot less damage if every app on the iPhone didnt run as root

      They made the apps run as root due to lack of time to figure out the security properly. This is the same reason they didn't release a SDK.

      By February, we'll have a firmware with reengineered OS and apps that don't run as root. The SDK will only support this firmware and newer.

  5. SSH and a keyboard. by neo · · Score: 3, Funny

    The only thing i want to add to the I phone is SSH and an external keyboard. Then it would be pretty much the ultimate laptop... if you had a really tiny lap. But it would then serve all my mobile computing needs.

    1. Re:SSH and a keyboard. by johnkzin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Frankly, Apple missed the boat on this one. If they had had a supported ssh, and supported external keyboard, back in early September, bluetooth on the 'Touch (keyboard, headsets, and tethering to any bluetooth DUN/PAN phone), Mail on the 'Touch, and Notes on the 'Touch, I'd have bought a Touch.

      If the iPhone had those missing pieces (including publicly stated support for tethering a laptop via bluetooth DUN/PAN), but the Touch did not, then I'd have seriously considered buying an iPhone. But I knew that the lack of official developer support for those things running natively meant that Apple could pull the plug at any time. And when they did that with 1.1.1, I knew I had made the right choice to not go down the Apple path (and, I'm a Mac guy, so integration between PDA/Phone and Desktop would have been a HUGE plus). When it came time to make my purchase decision, Apple eliminated themselves from the picture.

      Instead, I got the Nokia N800. And I'm quite happy. It would take a HUGE effort from Apple to lure me back.

      And, what's worse for Apple is: This made me go one step further away from being tied to core Apple apps. Bookmarks moved to Netvouz. Browser switched to Firefox. I had already moved mail clients to Thunderbird due to other on going problems with Mail.app. I may even move to be entirely gmail based (move my home mail server to Google Apps). At that point, there's very little reason for me to continue being a Mac customer ... one bad decision from Apple (not supporting 3rd party apps on the iPhone and 'Touch from day 1) has a kind of high likelihood of costing them a customer. Not out of being disgruntled (far from it), but simply because the functionality for what I want, when I wanted it, was being provided by someone other than them ... and that functionality is good enough to keep me moving in that direction.

  6. Re:Ipod touch by BlakeReid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Will this apply to the ipod touch as well?


    Yep - FTA:

    P.S.: The SDK will also allow developers to create applications for iPod touch.
  7. Re:Ipod touch by jiushao · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, it would sure have been nice if the article could at least had a small P.S. to note if the iPod Touch was covered or not.

  8. Re:Waiting for... by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not likely. More likely your certificate will have to be signed by Apple which may in revoke it at any time. I would not be surprised if part of the delay is an integrating OSCP or some other form of pervasive certificate management into whatever goes for an app installer as well as preparing an OS update with this functionality. CRL checking at install is not something present in current OSX so they will have to add it to be ready to ship.

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  9. bug report by abes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple also sent the same information to anyone who bothered to file out a bug report about a lack of an SDK. I mention this only to point out that it's nice that Apple actually took the time to listen to its developers (and not just people who pay an annual fee) and respond. So next time if you're wondering whether your bug report gets read, it appears at least in cases like this it does.

    I've recently become a complete Apple-convert. I used to hate Apple, and came from a Linux background. I have to say, though, that from a development standpoint their XCode environment is great, their libraries are well thought out, and it comes with a good number of advanced features that keeps coding fun. If you're wondering why people are so excited about developing for the iPhone, these are a few of the reasons.

    At one point I played around with the toolchain that was previously being developed by the community hackers. It was relatively easy to put together a simple iPhone app, as the iPhone is running a simplified version of Cocoa. However, the more complex stuff (and interesting parts, like gestures) were not up to par because of lack of documentation.

    With the introduction of the SDK, I think we're going to see a batch of really nice 3rd party apps. The current ones are extremely good for what resources are available, but I think everyone would agree there is room for much improvement.

    Hopefully Apple will do the right thing in opening up their platform as much as possible. I wouldn't mind getting a free key to sign my code (Google did a similar thing when they opened up their search API). I wonder if they will limit all things internety to WIFI only, as AT&T might complain about random packets flying over their EDGE (even though other phone companies already allow this). I'm still not sure I fully get the malicious code issue, as the iPhone is essentially a dumbed down Macbook with a harder-to-use keyboard. How is the iPhone any more dangerous?

  10. Malware by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To further clarify, "malware" will consist of:
      media players that support additional audio and video codecs,
      anything that lets you install ringtones for free using your own licensed music,
    anything that lets you make calls on alternative networks.

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  11. Hear hear! by hypermanng · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope the signing requirement will be a verifiable registration of your key with Apple and not a large fee of some sort. I've got a lot of third party apps on my iTouch that are excellent quality and free. Apple would be depriving themselves of most of that developer community by limiting things to large companies.


    Isn't that the truth! It would be even better if Apple provided a glide-path to current developers to becoming "legit" so that they're encouraged to engage rather than fight. Apple really has no reason to be a jerk about it except spite. Unfortunately, Steve has proven that he's occasionally prone to that.
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  12. Re:Finally! by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wrong.

    I love all the people who are now going to say that Apple is only doing an SDK because the brave, innovative hackers who just want us all to be able to free our hardware have forced their hand.

    Kind of like the only reason they have a battery replacement program for iPods was because of the Neistat Brothers' video, right?

    Except that it would be wrong, on both counts.

    For a device like the iPhone, Apple probably had SOME kind of SDK/third party development planned all along. But the iPhone's OS is still a wildly moving target, and it's not appropriate to have an SDK before things have calmed down with the OS APIs, frameworks, etc.

    But if you want to believe that a statistically insignificant (yes, really - most people don't care, much less even know, about this) group of hobbyists and hackers have "forced" Apple to scramble to release an SDK, go right ahead.

  13. Re:Rebels always find a way to rebel by bockelboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why? There's no need to have unsigned apps - if Apple is smart and enables the end-user to sync their computer's keychain with the iPhone. This way, users who trust the DOEgrids Certificate Authority can run apps signed by the DOEgrids CA. I'm surprised there isn't a freely-available SourceForge CA that devs can use to sign their binaries. As long as the end user can control which authorities they trust (I suspect enterprise admins will want to control this, at the least), there is no need for a unsigned app!

    If a developer is totally independent and has no resources, they can easily set up their own CA and ask users to add that. It's a pain-in-the-ass, but would probably greatly reduce malware (as long as the process of adding/deleting a CA isn't just "Please click OK"). Those indie developers who can't afford the $50 (or whatever cost) certificate probably are targeting hackers/modders, not normal users anyway.

    If Apple plays their cards right, they will be able to get more devs to be "legit" without totally abandoning the mod crowd who isn't scared to alter their keychain. If talented devs can work on producing great apps instead of getting unsigned ones to work, it's a good thing for Apple.

    This assumes, of course, that Apple is a rational being and not a controlling corporation. Big assumption.

  14. Re:Finally! by Nexum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really cannot understand the whining of people who have been so vocal about this SDK, and now that all this gnashing of teeth has forced Apple to pre-announce, people like you come along claiming this is 'long overdue'.

    The fact that Apple is a ~15k person company with a massive variety of products means that there must be focus. In part this slim headcount and focus is what allows Apple to produce really great products. (For comparison - Apple is now roughly worth the same, by market cap., as IBM, which employs around 300,000 people worldwide).

    Think for a moment what a considerable development the iPhone is. Particularly the software, there is an ungodly amount of work and rework that has gone into producing the final product that you can pick up at the mall. The last thing that Apple was thinking about during the development phase was a clean documented publically available and stable API. No, you can bet that the iPhone API twisted and turned through the development cycle, massive rewritings, refactorings, and changes over a number of years. For Apple to release an SDK and API they have to be clean, stable, unlikely to change and break existing code - all of the things that during the development phase the internal API was not.

    When releasing an SDK and an API, massive resources must be put into considering flexibility and change 2, 5, 10 years down the line. These things take time. Apple decided, rightly, to release a finished device this Summer. All the whining in the world (and I believe we got close to that) could not push Apple's internal API into a publicly usable stable state at that time. I think, considering that this is a brand new phone platform (not something like Symbian etc. which has been around a long time), waiting 9 months for an SDK is nothing, in fact, I'm amazed they've done it in less than a year. Mark though - Apple would have been mad never to have provided one, and personally I expected this announcement for WWDC'08, but I have found it astoundingly ridiculous how people have cried and whined about the lack of an SDK without thinking for a single minute. For crying out loud, it's been only three months. The only thing 'long overdue' will, hopefully, be the shutting of the mouths of all the incessant whining.

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  15. How useful by JeremyGNJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nice!

    Now the iPhone will have 30 different ways to check stock prices, get weather updates and read RSS feeds!

    Hopefully someone makes a Diet Calculator / Calorine counter as well!

  16. Re:Finally! by timster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, as an iPhone owner (and, apparently, a Certified Fanboi(tm)), it's plainly obvious that the software wasn't finished in June and is still not finished. While the core features work well for the most part, any iPhone owner can name a dozen obvious omissions off the top of their head. MMS, copy/paste, SMS to multiple recipients, Safari stability, etc, etc. Not to mention an RPN mode for the Calculator ;)

    I'm personally happy to have the device now, as it's extremely useful in a variety of ways (hence the fanboi status). But an SDK is only one of many things that are a tad overdue.

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  17. Pricing model? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm worried about a Windows CE-like business model. Unlike traditional certificates, with CE you don't purchase certificates but use a signing "service." While that might seem cheaper, you have to sign EACH of your binaries EVERY time a modification is made. That's incentive for developers to NOT release patches. Fortunately, it's not being enforced by many OEMs, but heaven help our wallets should that happen. There are a lot of small mobile shops our there that can't absorb these kinds of costs.

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  18. Re:Finally! by BMonger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recall Apple saying that they had pulled developers off Leopard to put onto the iPhone before it was launched which pushed Leopard back. Of course that would be an excuse but if it was indeed true those developers were probably put back onto Leopard shortly around the time of the iPhone launch. Now that Leopard is being released next week it may have freed up those developers to work on the SDK.

  19. Re:Finally! by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mark though - Apple would have been mad never to have provided one, and personally I expected this announcement for WWDC'08, but I have found it astoundingly ridiculous how people have cried and whined about the lack of an SDK without thinking for a single minute. For crying out loud, it's been only three months. The only thing 'long overdue' will, hopefully, be the shutting of the mouths of all the incessant whining.

    Steve could have announced the SDK for February 2008 from the very beginning and you'd not see the bitter remarks you rant about.

    The strategy Jobs uses for announcing products only when 100% done has its benefits with consumers, but developers hate when you cut them off and don't give them a clear roadmap for what to expect ahead.

    Learn from this, don't just add another rant to the thousands.

  20. Re:Finally! by Yetihehe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes yes, Hallowed are thy Mac fanboys. I know my post is flamebait, but why did Jobs say there will be only web based sdk? And now after hackers hacked iphone, he says there will be one?

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  21. Re:Finally! by semiotec · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But if you want to believe that a statistically insignificant (yes, really - most people don't care, much less even know, about this) group of hobbyists and hackers have "forced" Apple to scramble to release an SDK, go right ahead.

    Wrong.

    I love all the people who think Apple (particularly Jobs) is some sort of prophetic visionary. They react to the market as much as any other profit-seeking companies.

    Geek cred is a small but significant factor in tech gadgets and Apple knows this, given that one of the primary reasons for Apple's rising popularity is due to OS X, and one of the reason for OS X's rising popularity is the *nix code base.

    That particular video may not have been the sole factor for the Apple's battery replacement program, but it was certainly part of the increasing public awareness of the defects in the Apple devices. However, (and I say this in deep admirations) Apple nevertheless found a way to extract even more money out of its blindly loyal customers while at the same time somewhat-sorta-maybe addressing the criticisms.

    And your "moving target" theory is just BS. 1) OS X as a platform has been around for long enough, and Apple took pride in announcing that their phone and new iPod runs on the same platform, and being the first non-smart phone to require some 800mb of OS codes. 2) it didn't take lots of arm-twisting for Symbian, Nokia and (dare I say) Microsoft and other companies to release SDKs for their mobile platforms. While they may have varying validation protocols and so on, they didn't parade some random wild BS theory about their OS being "uncertain". Even Jobs wasn't saying this in his bit. If the API's have been settled, they wouldn't and shouldn't have released the product.

    As usual, they were just testing the market to see if they can make even more money out of 3rd parties and customers, which is after all, the goal of every profitable company.

  22. Re:Finally! by Genevish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because if he announced there would be an SDK, but not until next year, some people would wait to buy it until then. The same reason Apple says noting about new computer models until they're released. Actually, I'm surprised they announced the SDK early at all.

  23. Re:Finally! by n8_f · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, your post is just wrong and should be moderated as such. Here is Jobs at the D5 conference on May 30th, about a month before the iPhone was even released:

    Q: All indications appear that the iPhone is closed, we'd love to develop apps...

    This is an important tradeoff between security and openness. We want both. We're working through a way... we'll find a way to let 3rd parties write apps and still preserve security on the iPhone. But until we find that way we can't compromise the security of the phone. I've used 3rd party apps... the more you add, the more your phone crashes. No one's perfect, and we'd sure like our phone not to crash once a day. If you can just be a little more patient with us I think everyone can get what they want.

  24. Re:Finally! by Sparks23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    As some of the hacker community will readily point out, splitting open Springboard (the Finder/shell equivalent) in the iPhone, you discover Springboard always had some support for additional applications... and going forward, more was added. In 1.1.1, Springboard even added code added that supported multiple pages of applications... a pretty clear indication that either Apple was planning to add a LOT more apps, or were thinking of third-party dev.

    There were lots of other little clues people found that the iPhone had either had plans for a third-party SDK which was scuttled, or had a third-party SDK in the works but not yet announced. So I admit, I am with the folks who are saying that Jobs probably had this planned from day one, but held off on the announcements until closer to the SDK/security methods being sorted out for marketing/publicity/spin reasons.

    3 months after the phone was released is not a huge waiting period, but if he'd announced ahead of time that the iPhone would have a native SDK in February, lots of folks would have waited both on buying phones and on doing iPhone development. Instead, now we have hackers who have already worked on third-party native apps, there's all kinds of web-apps to keep those who won't jailbreak busy in the meantime.

    Love him or hate him, one thing Jobs knows how to do is build anticipation, and manage publicity. He'll take bad press for a while simply so that he can sit on some announcement to greatest spin effect.

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  25. Re:final pieces ... by Angostura · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I can solve one of them for you, without hacking the Touch.

    Have a look at FileMark Maker. It is an app that that runs on the Mac and lets you sync and store any .doc, .xls, .rtf, .txt, .jpg, .jpeg, .png, .gif, .pdf, or .html on the Touch (or iPhone) for offline viewing via Safari. It seems to encode the document actually into the bookmark datastream, which seems a bit hackish - but it works.

    It's a joy to use on my Touch, and I've tried it with a 100 page PDF. However long filenames screw up the bookmark display seem to be a bit of a problem, so trim them down a bit before syncing.

    I'm just surprised that more people don't seem to know about this app.

  26. Just about the right timing by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me get this straight. Apple released a product that contains an operating system that's still in alpha?

    No. Their OS works well and will have passed QA before they shipped. Like any humans, Apple make mistakes, but they generally at least try to adhere to "it just works".

    They ported their (stable) OS to a new architecture. The internal developers put up with the codebase (with any extant foibles), and they wrote a completely new UI framework (based on, but different to, Cocoa). They did sufficient QA to get the built-in applications working correctly, and then shipped the device, hitting their target.

    Now that it's out, and there's less pressure, they've been tidying it up, and polishing the UI framework, the compilers, any OS routines, and they've announced they're opening it up to 3rd parties. Presumably this means they've been patching the areas they worked around internally.

    There's nothing too surprising in any of the above, in fact I'm surprised the "official" SDK will be available so soon. Porting an OS and writing a good accelerated UI framework is a non-trivial task.

    Simon.

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  27. So, how long before Java? by DdJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    So, even if apps require formal signing and they all cost money, I still kinda expect that one thing we'll get is IBM's WebSphere Everyplace Micro Environment.

    It exists for PalmOS, it exists for Windows Mobile, it exists for other handhelds, and I imagine that both IBM and Sun would explode with joy at the possibility of getting it onto the iPhone and iPod Touch.

    For those who don't know, this is IBM's J2ME/JavaME runtime for small systems. If you have Java on your PalmOS, Windows Mobile, or even many Linux handhelds, it's probably due to this being loaded on or embedded into it.

    If we don't get that, maybe we'll get a port of the open-source reference implementation of JavaME:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhoneME_(software)

    It already builds for both ARM (current iPhone) and x86 (rumored future iPhone) instruction sets.

    Either way, looks to me like once there's a general dev kit, a JVM isn't going to be too far off. Anyone want to make predictions about how long it'll take or what form it'll come in?

  28. Misinformation by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative
    Have you actually written any iPhone apps ? Or are you just postulating ?

    The iPhone essentially runs a cut and trimmed version of OSX, so getting an SDK for it is NOT some massive undertaking
    • The SDK is *not* the same as the Cocoa SDK on Mac OSX. They use UIKit (all the classes start with 'UI' not 'NS'). They use CoreGraphics directly (so you have CGRect structures, not NSRect structures). The port of the Foundation library is incomplete (there's no NSNetService or NSTask that I can find, for example, though basic things (collections, iterators, etc.) are there).


    I mean, look, despite Apple's attempts to keep people from using their own phones, random hax0rs got a working SDK up within days
    • Those random hackers didn't "get an SDK up in days". They ran classdump on the libraries that *Apple* created, and made the headers available.


    A iPhone SDK would use a gcc cross-compiler (since the iPhone isn't running PowerPC or Intel chip -- by the way, gcc makes it easy to build a cross-compiler so this isn't a big deal)
    • Interesting. Those "random hackers" got the gcc compiler to cross-compile. Oh, but you can't have any methods that return a float (*) like, er, just about every UI class since co-ords are floats in UIKit. Oh, and it can crash with internal errors in cc1. And they're onto the third incarnation of the compiler now. Perhaps it's not so easy after all. The ARM chip is an established supported target for gcc, so building a cross-compiler itself is relatively trivial. Writing the bootstrap code is presumably harder, and writing the support libraries (libarmfp for example) needs to be done as well.


    Not a massive undertaking at all.
    • And here's where you lose all credibility. Not a massive undertaking to write a new 2D-accelerated UI framework from scratch, trying to be as compatible as possible with the 'Mac' way of doing things while incorporating a completely new input method ? On a new hardware platform for the OS ? With a very aggressive release schedule ? And design it so there will be no frequent (ahem) updates in the future ?

      No, that's trivial mate. Tell you what, we'll do you two, in case one breaks - have it to you next Tuesday... Not.


    Writing whatever they needed for the initial (general public who don't give the shake of a rat's tail about the SDK) release, then writing/polishing a general developer release is so obviously the way to go, I can't believe people are still talking about it. And if you expected 'The Steve' to lay out all his plans ahead of time, you've obviously been in a coma for the last decade. Welcome to the new century.

    Simon.

    (*) I think this is actually resolved in version-3 of the compiler. I'm still stuck with v2 because I can't get the LLVM part to compiler on my mac for some reason.
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  29. I love him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is why:

    - he brought the Apple II to me when I was in highschool
    - he brought the Macintosh to me when I was in College
    - he brought the NeXT to me when I was just starting my career
    - he resurrected Apple from the Dead
    - he created OS X from NeXT Step and OS 9
    - he brought the iPhone to me last summer

    And last:
    - he has the ability to change his mind when he's wrong.

    Many people can't do that. Jobs wanted a closed iPhone. Remember his announcement at WSJ? At the dev conference? His recent "cat & mouse" comment? For whatever reason (alienating his developers, lost AT&T revenue is lass than increased sales, iPhone developers can't be stopped, some other reason...) he's changed his mind.

    For this I love him.

  30. Misdirection by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's much to be suspicious about whenever someone like Steve Jobs suddenly has a "change of heart" regarding product policy. Does anyone really believe Jobs wasn't at all planning this back when he asserted that developers would take down the west coast cell networks if allowed to develop native apps on the iPhone? There's obviously more to it than this thinly-veiled blessing announcement that just happened to conveniently coincide with the release of Leopard next week.

    Just wait... there will be some sort of costly compromise to be met for developers to use this SDK. Perhaps certain applications of the SDK, such as creating a VoIP app, may be considered a breach of contract. Maybe something more draconian, such as zero freedom to distribute an app without Apple as a middle-man, including a mandatory Apple tax for the privilege. (After the whole pay-to-play 802.11n firmware upgrade fiasco, I put nothing past what Apple might do if it means an extra buck.)

    Needless to say, the former "crazy ones" are now committable.

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  31. It IS an Apple innovation! by Mahjub+Sa'aden · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Steve, 6000 years ago, created signed apps with the rest of the iWorld. However, as he is a vengeful God, he gave this innovation to Microsoft, for the greater glory of Apple, may it live forever.

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  32. Say it... SAY IT! by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nah - he typed it.
    I wanna hear him 'say' it. I'm blind and listen to Slashdot comments through a voice synthesizer, you unrefined fellow who is not responsive to my personal feelings!
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  33. Re:Finally! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For a device like the iPhone, Apple probably had SOME kind of SDK/third party development planned all along. But the iPhone's OS is still a wildly moving target, and it's not appropriate to have an SDK before things have calmed down with the OS APIs, frameworks, etc.

    But if you want to believe that a statistically insignificant (yes, really - most people don't care, much less even know, about this) group of hobbyists and hackers have "forced" Apple to scramble to release an SDK, go right ahead. So if they were planning it all along as you assert, why did they wait for 3 months after the release to announce it? It's not like they're saying "Here's the SDK right now! Surprise! Have at it!". They announced it'll be available in 4 months. You don't make any sense. One of the biggest blemishes on the iPhone release was the lack of third party apps. Every review I've read of the device has slammed Apple for it. All that they had to say to get rid of this was to say "The SDK will be ready in February" and all of that criticism disappears. But they didn't.

    I don't believe that the hackers were solely the cause for the SDK, but make no mistake, market pressure forced Apple to capitulate. They weren't planning this. They were blindsided with negative press and pressure from their customers and potential customers. At first they attempted to lay this at the feet of AT&T saying that AT&T was concerned with network stability, but that proved to be a big pile of BS, as evidences by AT&T's software development site assisting in software development for every phone in it's lineup except Apples.

    And to say that the Apple battery replacement program wasn't directly influenced by that video... well, I see you've drank a little too much of the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid. Enjoy the dreams that he's told you will come.
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    by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
  34. The Security that Apple can make money :-) by LKM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Possibly the security issues of SIM unlocks, chat and VOIP apps, where by security, Apple means "our security that we make a lot of money from contracts and people send a lot of SMS messages" :-)

    Seriously though, with the announcement of an unlocked iPhone in France, I wonder whether Apple will still go after the SIM unlock hacks so vigorously.