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Evolution and the 'Wisdom of Crowds'

An anonymous reader writes "An essay by a developer of recommendation systems makes a case for why so many people have trouble grasping Darwin's theory of evolution. Downplaying its conflict with religion, the essay suggests that evolution is in a specific class of "equilibrium seeking" concepts that tend to be extremely counterintuitive to most people. The hypothesis is supported by the observation that so many people reject the notion that evolution-like systems such as Wikipedia, prediction markets, and recommendation systems can actually be effective. Particularly fascinating is the description of his surprisingly simple algorithm for competing in the Netflix prize contest."

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  1. Re:typo by arivanov · · Score: 4, Informative

    Journalist to George Bush (senior): Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are Atheists?

    Bush: No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

    Current stats:

    85% of Americans self-identify as Christians. (2002)
      7% of US adults classify as evangelicals (2004) (see Evangelical category for more information)
      38% of US adults classify as born again, but not evangelical. (2004)
      37% are self-described Christians but are neither evangelical nor born again
      Atheists and agnostics comprise 12% of adults nationwide. (2004)
      11% of the US population identify with a faith other than Christianity (2004)
      s/Christian/Muslim/g

    Nuff said... No further comment...

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  2. Re:typo by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually it's largely an American thing.

    I brought this subject up several times in a conversation with europeans. Those who don't follow slashdot and similar sites hadn't heard about the concept of "intelligent design" at all, and needed it explained. And all of them went "WTF?" at the explanation.

    The vast majority of the population hasn't even heard of ID. All the religious arguments I participated in (and there were quite a few) always revolved around the existence/inexistence of a deity, evolution wasn't brought up even once.

  3. Re:Bad analogy? by JimboFBX · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, wikipedia is evolutionary- an incorrect edit will be removed, edited, or fixed while correct edits will be changed back to the way they were if they become vandalized. Essentially it's an equilibrium function because equilibrium is clearly achieved once everything is correct. Of course, its the kind of wobbly equilibrium you get when you try to hold your hand steady without support- but equilibrium nevertheless.

  4. Re:typo by arktemplar · · Score: 3, Informative

    ermmm I dont know which country you live in, but here in India there is no creationism. It is indeed possible that those people studying sanskrit or theology might get to study religious text that contains creationism, I have however never heard of any university preaching it in their science department\lectures.

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  5. Re:typo by pubjames · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not just Americans, but most people across the world don't believe in evolution.

    Got any proof? Because I've got some that shows you're wrong. Link.

  6. Re:Creationism and Evolution Artificially at Odds? by Nephilium · · Score: 3, Informative

    Generally, the use of creationism references young Earth creationism... where part of the belief is that the Earth is only a couple of thousand years old. This flavor of creationism can't stand alongside evolution.

    Nephilium

  7. Re:He doesn't address the evolution of ideas by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Informative

    hitler was a catholic, stalin also was (an orthodox) christian, was even in a church school.

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  8. Re:He doesn't address the evolution of ideas by nicklott · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Romans were pagans not atheists

  9. Re:He doesn't address the evolution of ideas by greg_barton · · Score: 3, Informative

    Stalin once studied to be a priest.

  10. Re:typo by aymanh · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe:

    1. Creationism, born of the denial of the evolution of species through natural selection, was for a long time an almost exclusively American phenomenon. Today creationist ideas are tending to find their way into Europe and their spread is affecting quite a few Council of Europe member states.
    [...]
    19. The Parliamentary Assembly therefore urges the member states, and especially their education authorities:
    19.1. to defend and promote scientific knowledge;
    19.2. strengthen the teaching of the foundations of science, its history, its epistemology and its methods alongside the teaching of objective scientific knowledge;
    19.3. to make science more comprehensible, more attractive and closer to the realities of the contemporary world;
    19.4. to firmly oppose the teaching of creationism as a scientific discipline on an equal footing with the theory of evolution and in general resist presentation of creationist ideas in any discipline other than religion;
    19.5. to promote the teaching of evolution as a fundamental scientific theory in the school curriculum.

    So yeah, Europe is doing something to stop pseudoscience from finding its way into schools.
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  11. What about the "madness of crowds"? by grandpa-geek · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a book written in 1841 by Charles Mackay titled "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds". It describes some "bubble" markets, such as the Dutch Tulip Craze (when people would invest their life savings in a tulip bulb, only to see the market eventually crash) and then goes on to describe other non-market crazes.

    The book is frequently referenced in discussions of investment strategy, especially so-called "contrarian investing", which often makes money for its followers. The contrarian investing principle can be summarized as being that when the crowd overwhelmingly agrees on something, go the other way.

    The book describes market behavior at least as well as Adam Smith's "unseen hand", and may also well describe other aspects of crowd behavior. I had never heard of the "wisdom of crowds" before this posting, but I have heard of the "madness of crowds" for many years.