States Set to Sue the U.S. Over Greenhouse Gases

dnormant writes to tell us The New York Times is reporting that more than a dozen states are gearing up to sue the Bush administration for holding up efforts to regulate automobile emissions. "The move comes as New York and other Northeastern states are stepping up their push for tougher regulation of greenhouse gases as part of their continuing opposition to President Bush's policies. On Wednesday, Gov. Eliot Spitzer's administration is to issue regulations requiring power plants to pay for their greenhouse gas emissions, part of a broader plan among 10 Northeastern states, known as the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, to move beyond federal regulators in Washington and regulate such emissions on their own."

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Re:Why the Global Warming debate is important

[KudyardRipling]

[kassandra]

Oh, my Gaia! The above used the following profanities: conservative, strict constitutionalist, laboratory of American states, founding fathers, and the ultimate no-no that is worse than all other profanities imaginable combined: God (Abrahamic_view). Downmod the above! Downmod the above! Censor! Censor! Always remember, holding man as the measure of all things is the sole province of the enlightened!

[/kassandra]

When they come for your hybrid, then it will be too late. Once they are thus empowered, believe me they will come.

What a load!

[WheelDweller]

Somehow they got someone at the EPA to consider CO2 a "pollutant". That means each and every one of us are polluters. No, not just while farting, any more. So: we all need to hold our breath. Not very long, just 10 minutes or so. Then, we will be in compliance.

Honestly, you guys, with your education, cross-checking, rules-lawyering and all that time on your hands actually *believe* this crap? Maybe you missed the ozone hole that didn't kill us all (or seem to have an effect on anything but the HVAC industry, for that matter, "healing" before the ink was dry!) Or maybe you've forgotten the coming ICE AGE of 1977 that froze over NYC and encased it in a block of ice? Right- that never happened, either.

How about "Sam" from "Cheers", what's his name? He said, "by 1980, school children will no longer be permitted to play outside, thanks to acid rain." Well that was a huge, city-killing unstopable monster, now wasn't it?

Could you guys just take the time to look at a *single* chart on CO2 as it relates to global heat, not the two separate graphs Algore brought out, and notice that CO2 _cools_ not _heats_ the atmosphere, about 800 years after the heat comes?

It's yet another parlor trick of the left; you need to be paniced; you need to send all your money to members of a single party or we're all gonna DIE! Think of the children!

(Please; look at the chart, it's about as clear as a turd in a punchbowl.)

Re:One problem with this plan

[jav1231]

Anonymous Coward:
Getting drunk on the cool-aide are we? I have the luxury of being right. It's a curse because there's always someone who wants to gun you down (ie thinks that you're wrong). Frankly, if the best you can do is "you're an idiot" then I'm doing just fine. Since most of your rhetoric is right out of the playbook I'm guessing responding is futile.

Re:Six Month Notice

[tfoss]

My guess? Now that Iraq is starting to look better, they need something new to hammer Bush with, lest he actually start to make gains in his approval ratings. First of all, wtf are you smoking that's making iraq look better? Whatever it is, the majority of the country sure doesn't have any. Second, Bush has net disapproval ratings in the -30s for the past year, I don't think anything is new is needed (though he continues to provide them with SCHIP, DOJ and FISA shenanigans, and an Iran war drumbeat). Third, hammering Bush on environmental issues is a perfectly legitimate avenue, given that the League of Conservation Voters has labeled him as the most anti-environmental president in the country's history.

Most Americans think Oswald didn't assasinate JFK. Almost half of Americans think UFO's visited the earth. And the vast majority of Americans beleive in God, Heaven, Angels, Miracles, Hell, and the Devil, and not in a figurative sense. And nearly half of the republicans running for president don't believe in evolution, at least one democratic hopeful believes he had an alien encounter. Our president thinks god talks to him (and apparently god thought we should preemptively invade a country who posed no threat to us). What is your point? Oh, right: You know what? Most people are fucking stupid. Since politicians are people too, aren't they mostly fucking stupid to?

There's a reason why "most Americans" don't get to make policy. Yeah, they are too poor.

-Ted

Re:One problem with this plan

[timmarhy]

"I'm sorry that someone who uses a zero when spelling "CO2" and can't correctly use the words "you're" and "humanity's", thinks poorly of my intelligence, but I guess I'll just have to deal with that. I'm not even going to tackle your Before attacking my spelling and punctuation i suggest you check your own, dumbass. i use "your" because i can't be arsed with the stupid 're, but i certainly don't sink to retarded spelling nazi troll tactic's when losing an argument, and i would certainly make sure i didn't make the same mistake in the same fucking paragraph.

atmospheric CO2 can increase from many sources, such as the ocean which is THE storehouse for CO2, and will release it when heated. CO2 release in this way has been documented to lag heating cycles of the earth for up to 800 years.

CO2 increases were occuring pre industry, so please explan just how that happened? you state it yourself, "since the 1800's". the industrial revolution only occured in the early 1900's.

How do you explain the fact OTHER planets are also warming? http://www.livescience.com/environment/070312_solarsys_warming.html are you going to dream up some way to try make us feel guilty for that to?

yeah thats right - i'm such a rightwing bastard for using facts and figures to prove my points.