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South Africa Adopts ODF as a Government Standard

ais523 writes "As reported by Tectonic, South Africa's new Mininimum Interoperability Standards (pdf) for Information Systems in government (MIOS) explain the new rules for which data formats will be used by the government; according to that document, all people working for the South African government must be able to read OpenDocument Format documents by March, and the government aims to use one of its three approved document formats (UTF-8 or ASCII plain text, CSV, or ODF) for all its published documents by the end of 2008. A definition of 'open standard' is also included that appears to rule out OOXML at present (requiring 'multiple implementations', among other things that may also rule it out)."

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  1. Ironic by youthoftoday · · Score: 2, Funny

    that the link is a PDF?

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    1. Re:Ironic by idiotwithastick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not the end 2008 yet. Apparently their standards haven't changed. Still, I would've expected them to put up a version in odf format.

    2. Re:Ironic by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What is with the PDF allergy exhibited by a number of slashdotters?

      It works fine in both xpdf and gs. In fact I've never encountered a PDF which doesn't display in either of those. Further more, as well as high-quality Free (tm) readers, there are also plenty of high quality Free tools for generating PDFs.

      Seeing as the readers are small and lightweight, PDF is a better choice for final documents than ODF.

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    3. Re:Ironic by Gabest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Beautiful on the outside, ugly in the inside. Please think of the programmers!

    4. Re:Ironic by ChameleonDave · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, I've just RTFA.

      This is all relevant only for "Working Office Document formats". For final presentation, they're using PDF. For web pages, they're using HTML 4 or XHTML with testing in Firefox 2 and IE6, plus later versions. What is it with this tradition of inaccurate summaries on Slashdot?

    5. Re:Ironic by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that PDF is an open standard, and a very good presentation format.

      It only sucks if you want to edit the document.

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    6. Re:Ironic by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although PDFs are great when you view them in Xpdf or Evince or the Mac OS X viewer thing, the common PDF viewer for Windows - Adobe Acrobat Reader - is a bloated piece of crap that makes Firefox freeze while it loads as a browser plugin. I'd guess that most of the PDF haters are Windows users, or users who install Acrobat Reader out of habit rather than using the native viewer that their Unixish system provides.

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    7. Re:Ironic by ianare · · Score: 2, Informative
      FTFA :

      He explained, however, that there was "space for pragmatism" in deciding on what formats to be used. He gave PDF as an example, which was not technically an open standard but did not have comparable open equivalents. He said that when faced with a choice of standards, the most open would be chosen. (emphasis mine) Sounds good to me, PDF is widely readable, and ODF is not the best format for distribution when you don't want the document to be altered. It would have been ironic if it was a .doc file.
    8. Re:Ironic by weighn · · Score: 2, Informative

      that the link is a PDF? Opened the Document Properties in the perverse hope of seeing "Creator: Adobe InDesign". Alas, created with OO.org 2.2. Damn!
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    9. Re:Ironic by ortholattice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although PDFs are great when you view them in Xpdf or Evince or the Mac OS X viewer thing, the common PDF viewer for Windows - Adobe Acrobat Reader - is a bloated piece of crap that makes Firefox freeze while it loads as a browser plugin.

      So ODFs would be better for viewing in Firefox? Seems to me they would be even slower, while waiting for OpenOffice to load.

      Anyway, for faster speed you can use the 2MB Foxit PDF reader. I don't think an ODF reader would be easy to do in that size/speed, if possible at all. (But who knows - 15 years ago word processors fit on a floppy or two, and a reader would be a subset of its functionality.)

    10. Re:Ironic by SnowZero · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hm, will the laws be in a Wiki now?

    11. Re:Ironic by cheater512 · · Score: 2

      I agree with you which is why when I click a link to a pdf, it opens in Kpdf in about 2 seconds.

      The whole 'document inside a browser' concept irritated me from the beginning.

  2. Why not let their computers do it? by NemoinSpace · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...all people working for the South African government must be able to read OpenDocument Format documents by March,
    You think it would be hard enough to get computers to read odf, now they are mandating people do it? Won't someone think of the children!
  3. Breaking news: by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a remarkable development, all the seven islands of the Seven Sister's Atoll, seceded from their common government and declared themselves independent sovereign nations. UN approved their nationhood in an emergency session. All of them, (population 7, 21, 3, 23, 7, 5, and 0.5 respectively) have immediately applied for the P membership of ISO. The population count of less than 1 raised a few eyebrows. It turned out to be the National Geographic photographer who camps there every summer. It is widely speculated in slashdot that all of the will soon vote to approve OOXML.

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    1. Re:Breaking news: by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Funny

      .. and in related news, many special interest groups are eager to register their new .SS domain names.

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    2. Re:Breaking news: by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      South Africa is larger (by population and by geography) than any country in Europe. It is also a Western country--English speaking, democratic, capital markets... it's not an Atoll at all (unless you consider France to be an Atoll, too).

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  4. Future for FLOSS, ODF for internal docs by Daengbo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the article:

    Bob Jolliffe of the department of science and technology, who was part of the working group that compiled the document, ... was optimistic about the MIOS document's implementation, saying that it now cleared the playing field for the adoption of government's free and open source software policy.
    Apparently there's a long-term strategy to move to FLOSS. The article also mentions that all internal documents will be ODF by 2009. Wow.
  5. Damn, they beat us at the rugby... by rHBa · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and they beat us to open standards!!!

    1. Re:Damn, they beat us at the rugby... by DanielJosphXhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you read China's constitution? Try it sometime. Then compare that document to the reality of living in the actual country.

      South Africa may indeed be beating the US in terms of freedom, but that's not something you can tell by looking at a piece of paper. No matter which document format it uses. :)

      Hell, look at the US constitution some time and compare.

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  6. Re:Google Support for ODF by FutureDomain · · Score: 2, Informative

    You must have missed it. Google Docs supports ODF for documents and spreadsheets, but not presentations (only .ppt for now). In fact, they've supported it for a while (I exported a document to ODF back in May).

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  7. Re:Google Support for ODF by Mike+Morgan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yep, missed it. But the "Save as OpenDocument" is only available from the "Docs Home" page under "More actions". It's not available when you're editing the document from the File menu.

    Thanks!

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  8. Re:Google Support for ODF by Mike+Morgan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, yes I also forgot that OpenOffice's default format is ODF.

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  9. I'm confused... by martin_henry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What version of Openoffice are they using? I'm using version 2.3 and it knows that "minininum" is not a word...

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  10. Multiple, COMPLETE implementations? by sn00ker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A few people have mentioned that OOXML has been "implemented" by a few applications. Completely? Compliant with all umpteen-thousand pages of the spec? No, didn't think so.
    The thing to consider is that SA requires

    the intellectual rights required to implement the standard (eg essential patent claims) are irrevocably available, without royalties attached
    That could be a problem when trying to get the various old-versions-of-Word things to work, since the "intellectual rights" to "FuckShitUpLikeWord97" and "BreakCrapLikeWord95" are a) inextricably tied into the spec and b) absolutely not going to be forthcoming from MS for anyone who wants to actually produce a complete, fully-compliant implementation. Anyone think they even have those things defined in writing? I don't!

    I'd say this one is game, set, and match to ODF. OOXML just cannot fulfill the access requirements if anyone tries to actually implement it in its entirety, and since it sounds like SA is on a total OSS kick one can probably safely assume that they will be demanding multiple implementations that comply down to every last comma, semi-colon and full-stop.

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  11. Re:Politics For Nerds?!! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny
    Obviously this has nothing to do with the US government at all.

    It gives you the chance to compare your government with one which takes a common-sense approach to document formats.

    You can cry now, if you want to.

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  12. Re:In this Corner by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Funny
    This guy better watch out for Steve "The Chair" Ballmer.

    Actually, as soon as Ballmer heard, he despatched one of Microsoft's Special Ops "negotiators" in a private jet to Pretoria.

    Fortunately for the Africans, the "negotiator" bailed out halfway across the South Atlantic ocean. In a statement released later he said;

    The flight had been going well until I dozed off for a minute or two, then woke to see blue screens on the panel in front of me. By the time I realised it was just the sky, I had my chute on and was halfway out the escape hatch...

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  13. Governments are supposed to lead, this is good. by dominux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see more and more documents being passed as .odt files (well I am an IBM business partner so not totally typical) it is much more reasonable to expect the recipient to use one of many free ODF compliant products or they might have Notes 8 with the productivity editors than it is for someone to send a .docx file and expect the recipient to pay to upgrade to read and work with the file.

  14. Re:Ubuntu by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 2

    No - you can use Microsoft Office. You can use Windows. You can use any damn software you want. This is not about software - it's about document formats and open standards.

    It's only because Microsoft have been so successful in binding their software to their formats, that when someone chooses another format, people think it's about the software!