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Forbes' Dan Lyons Hates Groklaw, Wants to Be BFF with Linux

Anastasia Beaverhousen writes "In what many will consider either a total change of heart (or complete BS), Forbes columnist Dan Lyons was caught on video by Linux.com (also owned by Sourceforge) at a recent conference professing his undying love for Linux. The words, "pry it out of my hands at gunpoint" were even used at one point. 'After wading though some of the Lyons vs. PJ mire while writing this brief piece, I found myself wondering, "Aren't we all supposed to be grown-up journalists, or bloggers, or whatever? Aren't Linux and Free Software supposed to be about love and harmony and making the world a better place? Can't we, please, smile on our brother, everybody love one another, right now?" In any case, old-hippie sentiments aside, Dan Lyons says that despite the many attacks on him as a supposedly anti-Linux attack dog, he loves Linux. And uses it. And that he has trouble understanding why anyone would think he doesn't love Linux. '"

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  1. Dan Lyons is a douchebag by GroceryShopper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure Dan, we love you too. Now, go fetch that Vista bone and Bill will give you a biscuit. Yeah, yeah, good boy.

  2. Who is this guy, and why should i care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For those of us who aren't omnipotent, who is this guy?

  3. Professional troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy loves Linux the same way a politician loves the media: It makes both an excellent tool for use, and an excellent target to attack in order to bolster one's own status. So, as long as he can play both sides, he gets to think of himself as the cleverest person who ever tricked a system into working for him.

    In other words, just another self-deluded troll actively preying on his audience.

    1. Re:Professional troll by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Im not defending this guy, but its possible to be pro-linux and against the politics of groklaw and PJ, the same way there are a lot of people who like microsoft products but arent defenders of microsoft politics. Too much groupthink around these parts lately.

    2. Re:Professional troll by domatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's very possible. I've lost much of my admiration for PJ as this thing has drug on (though I have to give her points on being consistent about where she is coming from). Still, I believe that Lyons is backpedaling because SCO is so obviously toast. He's spewed anti-Linux crap for years and only lately does he try to re-invent himself (badly) as a balanced journalist. In general, your point is valid but in the particular case of "Lyin' Lyons" I don't buy it for a second.

    3. Re:Professional troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What politics of PJ and Groklaw? Seems to me that PJ reports (primarily) on SCO's gabillion dollar grab and did some pretty exhaustive documentation about that case. I don't really see how that's politics.

  4. Why would anyone think ... ? by overshoot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just a wild guess, but maybe because we actually read his pieces parroting SCOX and attacking the Linux developer community?

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  5. He's nicknamed Lyin' Lyons for a reason ... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For several years, he was front and center in the SCO FUD campaign - on the wrong side.

    His sudden "road to Damascus" moment is about as "convenient" as someone becoming a "born-again Christian" after being arrested.

    Believe at your own risk.

    1. Re:He's nicknamed Lyin' Lyons for a reason ... by doctorcisco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll offer an alternative understanding.

      Forbes, of course, is a business magazine. In serious businesses, the leadership does not build a business plan on a fairy tale. From a corporate-business perspective, with no other knowledge of the issue, whom would you believe:

      a) A CEO who is an officer of the corporation, and may be personally, even criminally liable for patently false statements in things like SEC filings, or
      b) The people that CEO says stole some of his company's code/IP/whatever.

      I mean, how often does a publicly traded company sue someone 100x their size based on nothing but hot air? Lying is one thing. Lying when, sooner or later, you will be required to show evidence in a court of law, is something else again. Let's face it, SCO was breathtakingly brazen. I can certainly understand how someone might conclude what he did ... there's got to be SOMETHING there.

      Why it took him so long to wise up (or whether he did) would be another discussion.

      doc

    2. Re:He's nicknamed Lyin' Lyons for a reason ... by imroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, Daniel Lyons could have actually investigated the issue, instead of just swallowing what Darl Mcbride CEO said. The fact that he clearly didn't, says a lot about his skill as a journalist.

      Had he done some investigation, he would have found:

      • SCO had not produced any evidence.
      • SCO was stalling.
      • SCO's CEO (Mcbride) was all hot air.
      • Linux is developed in the open.
      • Linux has a very well documented history e.g mailing list archives, patches, and changelogs.
      • Any attempt to insert stolen source code into such a public project would be very visible.
      • Anyone accusing another party of inserting stolen source code into Linux, yet unable to produce any proof of this, is most likely full of shit.

      But instead Lyons (and others like Didio and O'gara) appears to have chosen which side to support based on 'partisan' issues i.e money makes the world go 'round, so those filthy hippies must have stolen stuff from good, honest, hard-working American corporations to make Linux work properly. Lyons' previous "apology" basically said "oops, they duped me as well. I bet on the wrong horse". If he was a real journalist, he would have quickly found some of the things I mentioned above and at least been suspicious of SCO and their claims. But he didn't. He's just a troll calling himself a "journalist".

  6. The real story... by encoderer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The real story for those here who care to see it, is that there's a huge population of people for whom Linux is not mutually exclusive from Windows.

    People who can love linux without hating Microsoft. People who can objectively use the best tool for the job.

    I'm a web developer. On any project save for .Net, it's obvious that the LAM* stack is the best server-side technology, and just as obvious (in my personal case) that Windows is the best environment for my dev box.

    1. Re:The real story... by nostriluu · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There is not and never can be a single OS that works best for all people in all situations.


      Umm, why not?

      (I'm talking out of Windows, Mac OS X and Linux, btw).
  7. So is dan a long-haired smelly communist now? by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe that's how he characterized all Linux users.

    Gotta love his lavish praise of "intrepid reporter" Maureen O'Gara. Dan just loved the way Maureen relentlessly stalked, and harassed, PJ and PJ's elderly mother. Especially the way Maureen bragged about obtaining, and researching PJ's private cell-phone records, and looking inside PJ's residence, and bashing PJ's religious beliefs. Maureen's action were so vile, that the entire editorial staff of linuxworld resigned in disgust. Dan loved it.

    Don't forget about how Danny squealed like a stuck pig about bloggers, and message board posters, not giving their true identity, then he turns out to be the fake Steve Jobs.

    Clearly, he misses the whole point, probably deliberately. Whether he personally likes Linux is meaningless. I don't dislike people for not liking Linux. People can hate Linux all they want, and they can say so, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I think they sometimes make some good points. And, for all I care, people can hate groklaw, or PJ, as well.

    My problem with Lyons is that he's a liar, a hypocrite, and a bully. For somebody who loves Linux so much, he was certainly quick to side with the company that was trying to destroy Linux, and to have a complete hissy-fit against who opposed the scam. And where are these 67 positive Linux articles? Is he sure it isn't more like one or two, writen after it was decided that scox doesn't even own UNIX? And where are his retractions and apologies after it turned out the PJ, and the message board posters were right all along? Why isn't he slamming scox and msft for the obvious scam?

  8. The article that makes ME not believe Lyons by Antaeus+Feldspar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back when it was possible -- just barely -- for an intelligent person to think SCO might still have a case that they were just coincidentally showing no proof of, Dan Lyons was among those trying to portray SCO as in all likelihood a bunch of swell guys who had produced something of value, only to see it ripped off, and were now simply seeking just compensation for having been ripped off.

    That in itself is proof of nothing except excessive credulity.

    What makes Lyons a two-faced mealymouth is that in the same time period he wrote the infamous "Linux's Hit Men" article, in which he excoriated the Free Software Foundation for seeking compensation/compliance in cases where swell programmers had produced something of value and put it under the GPL only to see the fruits of their labors ripped off. The Foundation, Lyons tells the reader, "doesn't want royalties--it wants you to burn down your house, or at the very least share it with cloners ... maybe, as some suggest, the foundation wants GPL-covered code to creep into commercial products so it can use GPL to force open those products." Lyons' final line? "Such a pity, comrade."

    So, let's sum up. When it's a commercial company which claims it has been ripped off (even if it's actively refusing to show anyone its evidence of the alleged ripoff under reasonable conditions) Lyons thinks it's perfectly okay for them to demand huge financial recompense. When it's open source coders that get ripped off, however, Lyons thinks it's pretty jerky for anyone to actually make the rippers-off comply with the license for the code they chose to use -- if not some sort of sinister conspiracy.

    Gee, I can't think why anyone would doubt the sincerity of Lyons' love for Linux and open source.

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  9. Bullshit. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, how often does a publicly traded company sue someone 100x their size based on nothing but hot air? Lying is one thing. Lying when, sooner or later, you will be required to show evidence in a court of law, is something else again. Let's face it, SCO was breathtakingly brazen. I can certainly understand how someone might conclude what he did ... there's got to be SOMETHING there.

    No. That's bullshit. Anyone looking at SCO's financials would see that they were losing business back before they filed the suit.

    Only an idiot would believe that story without checking ANY of the facts.

    And that's exactly what Forbes and Lyons did. In fact, they did worse. They refused to check any of the facts and instead they parroted, as if they were fact, the unsubstantiated lies that SCO kept spewing.
    1. Re:Bullshit. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They refused to check any of the facts and instead they parroted, as if they were fact, the unsubstantiated lies...

      And this is different from the rest of the (*) press today how?

      * The word business omitted here as redundant.

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