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Nova Scotia to Build Space Tourist Launchpad

Identity Missing writes "Lockheed Martin is planning on building a commercial spaceport in Nova Scotia Canada. The details are a bit shaky, but apparently the project is serious enough to attract 45 million dollars from the Federal government. The launch pad will specifically be built in Cape Breton, a mostly rural island characterized by low employment, thick colloquial accents, and kitchen fiddle parties. A PDF is available with pictures and a description of the planned orbital glider, the 'Silver Dart,' somewhat lacking the aesthetics of the X Prize winner."

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  1. Re:$45M dollars? by h-nu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't know about the Monopoly money equivalent, but $45 M CDN is about $46.8 M USD right now.
    Things have changed a little.

  2. Dart? Arrow? by BlueStraggler · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Silver Dart name is intended to ride on the coat-tails of the original Silver Dart, which also flew out of Nova Scotia. The Canadian Arrow company name also seems to be intended to ride on the coat-tails of the Avro Arrow. So they are trying to associate themselves with the two most famous aircraft in Canadian history, despite having nothing to do with either. And they seem to have overlooked the fact that both of these famous aircraft met ignominious ends, which can't be good for luck.

  3. OK for suborbital and polar orbits, but by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Informative

    The high latitude of Nova Scotia makes it more costly to launch for an equatorial orbit. Getting to GEO or lower-latitude LEO orbit would require more fuel. There's a reason why Arianes launch from French Guiana and not Europe.

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  4. Chose the spot for a reason? by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cape Breton is one of the southernmost parts of Canada.

    There are clear physical advantages to building spaceports (or any space launch pads) close to the equator, for reasons other than weather. Gravity is lowest at the equator, due to two reasons: one being Earth an oblate shape and thus an equatorial point is furthest from core and thus has least gravity, the other being the centrifugal spin of the Earth which is strongest at the equator. Put together, this accounts for about 2% less weight, which does not seem much, but does make a difference.

    If you have noticed, both the USA and USSR chose to build their spaceports as south as possible. The most used USA launch spot is in Florida, and in the USSR the Bainokur cosmodrome is located in Kazakhstan, which is not even a part of Russia anymore, but clearly the benefits gotta outweigh the logistical and political diffculties.

    Back on topic of this particular case, once the choice of the country (Canada) has been made, Nova Scotia would seem like a good solution due to the reasons outlined above. The question comes, why Canada? LM is a US company, has huge ties to the defense industry, lots of political connections, and the US in general is more business-friendly than Canada. I find it very hard to believe LM would get out of Canada (be it government, commerce, industry ties, or simply geographical settings) anything they couldn't get in the US. Any ideas?

    1. Re:Chose the spot for a reason? by bardicknowledge · · Score: 2, Informative

      Being from Cape Breton, I would like to say you obviously have NO idea where in Nova Scotia it is we live. Cape Breton is the whole northern island when you look at a map of Nova Scotia.. which means what? Yes, the whole rest of main land Nova Scotia ( including PEI,NB and the southern parts of the rest of the provinces) are further south.

  5. Re:$45M dollars? by rs79 · · Score: 3, Informative

    " how much is that in Canadian monopoly money? Ha ha, canucks, we love you miserable bastards, eh "

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=292a762e-5b3e-4909-9ea3-ca664b774391&k=97109

    "Loonie soars to new 30-year high
    Eric Beauchesne, CanWest News Service
    Published: Saturday, May 26, 2007

    OTTAWA -- The loonie soared to a new 30-year high of nearly 93 cents US Friday and toward what one Canadian bank is saying will be parity with the ailing U.S. greenback within two years.

    The dollar, after hitting a high of 92.8 cents US, closed Friday at 92.64 cents US, its highest closing level since 1977."

    "The strength of the Canadian dollar can no longer be laid solely to weakness of the greenback," Gignac said. "The loonie has appreciated against almost all currencies."

    Now be nice or well hook the Chinese on Timbits and buy the US debt and turn your country into an amusement park. Eh.

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  6. THE FOG! by boxlight · · Score: 3, Informative
    Cape Breton is one of the foggiest places in Canada (my dear old Newfoundland wins first place on that list).

    Don't let the coastline fool you, this ain't Florida. The northern atlantic is a cold, icy, foggy place most of the year (remember Titanic). I certainly hope you don't need good weather to launch rockets.

    boxlight

  7. 'Silver Dart' plays homage to Canada's first plane by aduthie · · Score: 3, Informative

    The 'Silver Dart' name plays homage to Canada's first plane.

    Frankly, I think they'd do better with some sort of (much less expensive and land-intensive) tie-in to Bell's early high-speed hydroplaning watercraft, the HD-4.

    Whatever they do, it sounds like it will end up in the dictionary under "boondoggle."

  8. History lesson for you... by big_paul76 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Dude, where you from? Calgary? I bet you had one of those "let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark" bumper stickers when Trudeau realized that since Canada exports more oil than we consume, we could entirely free ourselves from the world price on oil.

    It's only in the last 30 years that "now that all the fish have been vacuumed up the economy simply can't support the number of people who live there" became the dominant way of looking at the Atlantic region.

    You know that before Confederation, NS was the most prosperous place in Canada? Even up into the 50's or 60's NS had a strong manufacturing base, which is the foundation of a strong economy.

    The real problem is that governments in NS (and to a lesser extend federal governments) have not really been focused on (or even aware of) anything except primary and tertiary industries. Sorry, but tertiary jobs don't cut it unless you have a population density more like southern Ontario's. And primary industries are getting squeezed by middlemen everywhere, in every industry.

    Never mind that politicians in NS have traditionally been willing to sell their children (or at least constituents) to anybody promising them a campaign contribution and 50 jobs in their riding.

    For example, take sable island oil and gas. How much of that is being _refined_ in NS? Oh yeah, zero. If the government at the time had had any forsight (or, balls for that matter) they would've struck a deal stating "You wanna drill for oil and gas here? Sure. But you're gonna _refine_ X % of it here.", like Alberta's done from day one.

    You can't build a strong economy on natural resources if you harvest/mine/drill for them in place A, ship the raw materials to place B, and then sell the finished products in place A.

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    1. Re:History lesson for you... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

      There has been ongoing interest in developing a spaceport in this region for some time. Because of its location, they are able to reuse Russian telemetry data.

      This is a great place for such an effort. We are on the ocean and have the worlds deepest harbour nearby. The site is all solid rock, the top of what's left of the Appalachian mountain chain. There is a huge deposit of undersea natural gas nearby waiting to be developed and supply energy needs.

      The population here are the most overeducated, underpaid group of people in the country, there are engineers all over the place that were raised in a naval tradition, and one of the major industries of the provincial capital is educating foreigners, so there's a great foundation for inbound brain drain.

      They aren't the only company interested in this effort either.

      I'm quite looking forward to hopping in the car for a few hours and kicking back in Cape Breton National Park with a case of beer and a joint to watch rocket ships take off.

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  9. The equator? Tell that to the USSR ... by l2718 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who built their Cosmodrome 3 degrees further North in Baikonur.

  10. Re:Welcome to Sunnyvale Trailer Park and Spaceport by Mike_ya · · Score: 2, Informative
  11. Re:Welcome to Sunnyvale Trailer Park and Spaceport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    there was a youtube link to a very chopped up and shortened, but relevant episode

    if you've never seen TPB before check some of these oot

    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=trailer+park+boys+duration%3Along+-site%3Ayoutube.com&so=3&num=100