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Researchers Achieve Amazing Memory Density

Mr. Fahrenheit writes in with a Wired story on research out of Arizona State, where researchers have "developed a low-cost, low-power computer memory that could put terabyte-sized thumb drives in consumers' pockets within a few years... The new memory technology — programmable metallization cell (PMC) — comes as current storage technologies are starting to reach their physical limits." PMC involves the on-demand creation of copper nano-wire bridges. It's said to promise memories that are 1/10 the cost and 1/1000 the power consumption of conventional Flash memory. Three memory manufacturers have licensed the technology and the first chips are expected on the market in 18 months.

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  1. Other specs? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about speed, durability, mean time before failure, etc.

    1. Re:Other specs? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I was curious as to your claim of "shelf life of like forever" for the InPhase disks, so I checked them out.

      50 year media archive life http://www.inphase-technologies.com/products/default.asp?tnn=3

      Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that, under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4.html

      Plus InPhase only sells the 300GB version now. Your claim to be able to call up and get the 1.6TB discs must have been made 3 to 4 years in the future since that is when their website says they will make the 3rd generation disks that are 1.6TB.
      Plus one of those drives costs $18,000! (and the 300GB disks costs $180). I could build a RAID and replace hard drives every few years and still come out ahead price-wise.
    2. Re:Other specs? by Shuh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know why? Cuz right now I can pick up the phone and get a functional drive and disks that can hold 1.6TB each with a shelf life of like forever. And of course speeds of 120 MB/s reading. This 18 months stuff isn't going to cut it.
      This article on inPhase from a few months back says "InPhase plans a second-generation 800GB optical disc with data transfer rates of about 80MB/sec., with plans to expand its capacity to 1.6TB by 2010." (emphasis mine) So unless by "today," you mean "3 years from today," then yeah, you can get some sweet 1.6TB storage.

      And you might want to check your credit balance before you whip out your credit card for one: "At US$18,000 for a holographic disk drive, InPhase has priced its product roughly mid-point between a $30,000 enterprise-class tape drive and midrange tape drives such as LTO tape drives, which go for around $4,000. The holographic platters will retail for $180 each." Of course, this is the amount they are charging for the 300GB version that was supposed to start shipping back in July. But you should be able to get this today -- if not "today."


    3. Re:Other specs? by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I dunno, a cheap, low-powered memory technology should be good regardless of the speed. For one thing, you can RAID any number of individual cells, for another, most drive space in PCs and handheld devices today is used for music, photos, and video, none of which are especially disk-intensive. Even 1080p Blu-Ray is only ~5MB/s.

      But that doesn't mean I have high hopes; /. rarely goes a week without some miracle new storage technology yet I'm still using hard drives and the odd flash chip.

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  2. Re:Vaporware. by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Not to mention the price per gig will be ridiculous. Why not just get a MyBook or something similar and say to hell with all of this vapor nonsense.

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  3. Re:Vaporware. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you kidding me? putting 1.44 Mb on a 3 & 1/2 inch disk still blows my mind. If there is a nuclear holocaust, and I'm the smartest person left alive, I'd consider myself a genius if I could get to that stage. Or I suppose, as the smartest person alive, I could just invent a clay tablet and They'd worship me as a god. yeah, that seems easier. But still, man 1.44 mb! un-freaking-believable.

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  4. The problem with this memory.... by webmaster404 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The problem with how memory is that it gives developers no incentive to optimize code to run it faster/better/smaller other then small speed boosts. 1 TB of storage would be nice, but if it means that I have to download 300 GB for a program or a Linux distribution with the same speed of 1 MB/second it would take forever or say a 7 MB web site. We need to see an increase in Internet speeds at affordable prices first before we go overboard with physical storage.

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    1. Re:The problem with this memory.... by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Absolutely. Also, indexing and searching the junk is an issue. I read a white paper a couple weeks ago about that. Everyone is keeping everything they download, taking a dozen pics a day, and then want to find one thing on their 2TB personal storage array. Also, filesystem efficiency is becoming an issue. Google and other large datacentres throw huge amounts of processing power an cashing hierachies at the problem, but how does that work for the home user? If we have 1TB thumbdrives, then we'll probably have 1PB internal drives, ouch.

  5. Sorry to be a spoil-sport, but by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Conventional memories rely on moving electrons in and out of insulating wells. This works both reliably and quickly. Reliable because it's a simple electrical process. Quickly because electrons are very light.

    Now building copper bridges is a whole different kind of animal. It's more akin to chemistry. Reliability is likely to be poor, as impurities and dust bollix things up. Speed and power consumption are not going to be great, as you're moving copper atoms, many thousands of times heavier than electrons.

    This device may be more in the running as a disk-drive replacement than as a substitute for flash memory.

  6. Good news for pirates by LehiNephi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On the other hand, having cheap storage on this scale also means that one of the largest barriers to HD-DVD/BluRay piracy will suddenly vaporize--everyone can have more than enough storage for all those pirated movies. Of course, the bandwidth to download them will still remain the bottleneck...

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  7. Re:Vaporware. by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It reminds me of an episode from Futurama:
    Fry: "That clover helped by rat fink brother steal my dream of going into space! Now I'll never get there ..."
    Leela: "You went there this morning for donuts."

    I mean, take for example flight. It's one helluva achievement isn't it, to fly like a bird. Ever since the dawn of man we've dreamt of it, like the legend of Icarus, Leonardo da Vinci's attempts at a flying machine and so on until finally some daredevils like the Wright brothers actually did it. I should be thrilled to fly, right? Well, last time I was just annoyed at the security checks, bored by the safety lecture, disgusted by the food and spent most of my time reading a book waiting for time to pass.

    Or this little magic thingie I have that lets me speak to anyone in the whole world, through thin air (not all the way, but I'll skip the details). I mean, would you believe it? Instead I'm mostly annoyed on how it can't always get through walls, that I have to recharge it every so often and that it's part of the "always on" stress of modern life.

    For that matter, that I can post this comment on a website halfway around the globe is a wonder of technology itself. That doesn't stop me (or everyone else, it seems) from complaining about their ISP and prices, support etc. or some shortcoming of the applications or protocols or whatever.

    I think the point is that if you went around like "oh wow" appriciating common things that much, you'd never do anything but get dazzled all day long. Then again, it probably wouldn't hurt to enjoy what we have a little more, but still... and "how much 1.44 MB is" is rather far down on my list.

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  8. Re:Vaporware. by ucblockhead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember when I first got a 1200 baud modem and was ecstatically excited to have a piece of communications technology that could actually send text faster than I could read it. It was like science fiction!

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  9. Re:Well, youngin, many of us remember... by epine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recall the 5MB hard drive in an early generation IBM PC. Took something like four hours to run a format cycle, which even then seemed outrageous compared to 360KB floppy disk write speeds. Hated that machine. By the time you installed a compiler or two, no room left to do any work. On the 10MB machine, you could compile a program, *and* generate some listings to help debug the compiler (errors in the compilers of that era were almost as frequent as errors in my own code). One I recall from a C compiler: initialize a global variable with a pointer to another global variable? Not today, apparently.

    For some reason, for all these years since, the storage curve has remained largely constant, with the exception of the jump forward when IBM release pixie dust and PRML technology at about the same time. The rule of thumb is that by the time the kinks are worked out of a new approach, the cost or performance is no different that what was on the curve already, and the technology either finds a specialized niche, or dies completely.

    Bubble memory, anyone?

  10. Sounds like "whiskers". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This sounds suspiciously like "whiskers".

    These little puppies were first discovered by accident back when AT&T was "The Phone Company". If I've got this right: Bell Labs had come up with a new alloy for terminal blocks that they thought would have some advantages. Western Electric made some up and the Bell Systems deployed them.

    Some time later they started running into trouble. Linemen would try to turn the nut and it wouldn't turn. So they cut some out and sent 'em in for analysis.

    These long, thin, crystals of metal had grown through the boundary of the thread, welding the nuts onto the bolts. They were extremely pure and very strong - in the general neighborhood of the theoretical strength of the material, when things fabricated by normal processes fell short by a "factor of many" (more than one power of ten).

    They cristened them "whiskers". I'm not aware of anything that came of that at the time.

    But when the early satellites were going up (back when the very early printed circuits were the cutting edge of hi-tech), whiskers showed up again - growing between the lines of the printed circuit board exposed to vacuum and zero g, shorting things out. This is why early US satellites (heavily miniaturized to go on the small boosters) tended to flake out while early Russian stuff (big discrete components on terminal strips lifted by their big boosters) kept working - and why that reversed later, when the US had the problem solved and the Russians started miniaturizing and had to go through the same learning curve.

    Once they figured out what was happening and came up with an alloy that didn't whisker, they played around for a bit with self-healing printed circuit boards. These had conductors of a whiskering alloy with a plating of non-whiskering stuff. Idea was that if a trace broke due to vibration during launch, the exposed core would whisker across the gap and make things run again (until it whiskered over to another wire and shorted things out.) During that time they also played with self-healing aluminized mylar capacitors, designed so that if the mylar developed a hole the cap would discharge through the hole, vaporize the aluminum around the hole, and things would then go back to normal operation.

    I'm not sure that any of this actually worked out.

    If these ARE whiskers-on-demand as storage elements, it's nice to see whiskers actually do something useful. B-)

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  11. How soon we forget, those were wild dreams once to by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Remember young one, there was once a time, in ages long past, that hard disks and flash were wild dreams, even perhaps vaporware.

    These took ages too develop to maturity as well, and many techs that once were introduced just fizzled away.

    Too often we make the mistake of thinking things should be happening now. IT moves fast, but not all that fast. How long does it take for MS to come up with a new version of their software? Let alone actually do the things they once promised?

    Hardware is the same, we see something intresting and want it now. Doesn't work like that, and then when it finally arrives, we are so used to it already that we just go "meh".

    We got harddrives of HALF A TERRABYTE being the most effective money/gigabyte buy right now. Think about that for a second. How many years do you have to go back when you would have had to stuff a server full of hardware to get that kind of storage you can now find in basic desktops?

    How many years ago is it that people were excited about flash storage of 32 megabytes that was slow as hell?

    All these advances are possible because of those stories like these you read about, and then forgot when the actuall technology arrives that uses them.

    Offcourse we get a lot of vapor, hologram storage seems to be one, but a lot of the stuff does eventually, slowly emerge. Take e-paper. Been around for years, but there are now actuall products out there that use it. By the time it will become widely available it won't be worthy of a headline anymore, and slashdot will be reporting on the next hot thing that might one day be.

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