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In Some Places, Local Search Beating Google

babooo404 points out Newsweek coverage of Google focusing on areas in which the search giant may be vulnerable. In some countries outside the US, local competition is handing Google its head. In South Korea a company called Naver dominates. And in Russia, portal site Yandex leads in both search and advertising. In the Cyrillic language market Google is a distant third in search, and Yandex is trouncing Google in the advertising arena by 70% to 2%.

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  1. Re:Gotta Love It by MoonFog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree, this is a non-story really. In Norway we have a search engine called Kvasir (kvasir.no) which is very good for Norwegian stuff. Big surprise, the big American company cannot compete on accuracy versus a search engine specialized on finding Norwegian results? This is surprising how exactly?

  2. Re:Gotta Love It by Yetihehe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The story comes as a surprise for those who have been seeing the world in a hazy, interpolated and homogeneous manner.(I belong here too.)
    So it IS newsworthy, as it helps you understand world better.
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  3. That's not the complicated part by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Transferring links around isn't the hard part. The hard part is to actually get something that's relevant for that search string.

    Just simple lists of keywords associated with that link won't do. We already had that kind of search engines long before Google, and there's a reason why Google handed their arse to them.

    And then there are the people gaming the system for a quick profit... even if it means ruining a valuable resource for everyone else. There was an almost epidemic of link spam on all possible forums and blogs, for example, just to raise the Google rank of a couple of pages.

    Most of Google's uphill battle so far has been tweaking the algorithm to defend against such "attacks".

    (And now that I mention it, it dawns upon me that maybe that's why smaller national engines can do better locally. With everyone trying to game Google and generally the larger English-reading world, it could be that noone bothered polluting the smaller national searches.)

    So just being able to swap links around won't do much.

    A second and third problems I see with your idea are, well:

    1. timing. When I search for something, I'd rather not depend on the right people being online at that exact time. I also want the answer in half a second. Google does that with in-RAM indexes. I wouldn't bet a fortune on someone doing that equally fast via several hops over the net, P2P style.

    2. reliability. P2P traffic has been poisoned repeatedly by interested parties, like, say, the RIAA and MPAA. And it's entirely trivial to do so. So what's to keep other interested parties from poisoning P2P search with falsely tagged links?

    Even on Google, it's not entirely rare that someone buys ad-word keywords on their competitors' trademarks or such. E.g., if you have a company called, say, "Houndwire", I could buy that keyword for an ad for my company. Now everyone who searches for your company, will have my ad served to them. Then keep my fingers crossed that if I'm in roughly the same market, some people will just go ahead and buy from me. There have been even laws proposed against that kind of impersonation.

    Now for adwords it's one thing, but the same could just as well be applied to poisoning a P2P search. Which could ruin its usefulness pretty fast.

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  4. Re:In Soviet Russia the currency transfer trounce by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope. It was fairly easy to work with foreign currency in Russia since early 90-s. Yandex was simply MUCH better than Google because Google have not supported Russian morphology until very recently.

    For example, if I'm searching information about, say, the name of Putin's dog I can use the following search query:
    "Imja sobaki Putina" - (the name of Putin's dog) and Yandex can find documents with the words
    "Imena sobak Putina" - (the names of Putin's dogs - note the plural) or documents with the words
    "Imen sobak Putina" - ([about] the names of Putin's dogs)
    "Imena sobakam Putina" - another grammar case. ...

    Russian morphology is MUCH MUCH more complex than in English. Yandex started working on morphological search in 1996, so it's not surprising that it's still much better than Google.