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Vinyl To Signal the End for CDs?

PJ1216 writes to mention that vinyl seems poised to make a comeback in the music industry. Some are even predicting that this comeback coupled with the surge in digital music sales could possibly close the door on CDs. "Portability is no longer any reason to stick with CDs, and neither is audio quality. Although vinyl purists are ripe for parody, they're right about one thing: Records can sound better than CDs. Although CDs have a wider dynamic range, mastering houses are often encouraged to compress the audio on CDs to make it as loud as possible: It's the so-called loudness war. Since the audio on vinyl can't be compressed to such extremes, records generally offer a more nuanced sound. Another reason for vinyl's sonic superiority is that no matter how high a sampling rate is, it can never contain all of the data present in an analog groove, Nyquist's theorem to the contrary."

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  1. Let me get this straight: by foxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Vinyl is better than CDs because the lack of technology and features means that the people who make 'em can't fuck 'em up as much?

    And they say technology can't solve social problems. Or, in this case, lack of technology...

    -F

  2. And Darwin be dammed as well. by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Nyquist's theorem to the contrary."
    Damm right my ears are so good that I can toss out the cornerstone of DSP!

    Vinyl doesn't have an infinite resolution anymore than a photograph does. You can not keep blowing up a photograph even though it is an analog recording medium. Vinyl does have a finite resolution just like digital methods.
    And guess what? They will still use digital equipment in the studios because there is no quality loss when making copies! They will just move the DAC stage from your receiver to the cutting head for the record.
    Nope your as wrong as any creationist and showing just as deep an understanding of science.

    Yes the loudness wars are making CDs crap but that has nothing to do with digital vs analog.

    I hate to sound like a member of the tin hat bunch but I have to wonder if this isn't a brilliant plan by the music companies to sell you the same music yet again! It is a lot harder to rip a record and put it on your ipod than a CD. So they sell you the "Better sounding" record for your home stereo and then the digital download full of DRM for your music player.

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  3. Re:not this again... by DFDumont · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although a digital representation cannot completely represent an analogue waveform, it is true that it can:
    - produce an approximation that differs from the original by less than can be detected by the human ear, which does have its limits
    - produce an approximation that is BETTER than a recording made in a physical medium.

    The issue with recording on a physical medium - irrespective of type or method, is that the stylus (whatever it may be) has mass. As such it is subject to Newton's first law and will resist changes to its momentum. This will have the audio effect of diminishing the frequency response in proportion to the frequency. This attenuation of the high end of the audio spectrum is what gives vinyl its 'richer' sound - NOT that it is more faithfully approximating the original sound wave.

    Remember EVERYTHING is an approximation - including the pressure wave in the air that was the original transcription from the instrument.

  4. Re:New Analog Format by Lillesvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And of course, it's a format that's easily damaged, and wears out just by listening to it [and yes, I know you can get very expensive record players that use laser's or some such thing instead of a needle].

    I'm sorry, but there are just so many things wrong with that, that I have to reply.

    Vinyl is not as easily damaged as one would think. I have a pretty big vinyl collection and a reasonably sized CD collection (about 180 of them) and guess which one's I'm having trouble listening to... I can't listen to my Deftones - Adrenaline CD, because it has a few minor scratches that mess up each and every track on the CD rendering it completely and utterly useless - and that CD is only about 10 years old. Now, I've got a vinyl in my collection that's about twice as old (an old Danish children's record) which I've "borrowed" from my dad. It has been handled a lot by myself and my 4 sisters back when we were kids but it plays fine. The jacket's all torn and I know for a fact that it's been treated really, really rough. Sure, there are the occasional pops and maybe a skip or two when it plays, but if I increase the weight of the needle just a little, it plays the record in its entirety without a single skip... Now, try to do that with my Deftones CD... (Though, I'm not really that keen on listening to it any longer.)

    To reiterate:

    • Vinyl (+20 yrs old, handled/dropped a LOT by kids, plenty of visible scratches): Still plays fine.
    • CD (~10 yrs old, played mostly in an NAD CD player, treated nicely, very few visible scratches): Completely useless.

    Re your wearing out issue... If you adjust the weight of the needle right (and no, it's really not that hard) and use a decent one, then you'll be able to play your records for at least as long as your CDs. Remember, CDs deteriorate as well - they don't even have to be played to get all messed up! As long as you treat your LPs reasonably, they'll last for a loooong time - at least, I have some records that are way older than myself (26 yrs) and they play just fine. Besides, CDs can't be treated all that bad either, without rendering them unplayable...

    As for the laser-thingy. I can't say much, as I have never actually seen (or heard) one, but from what I've heard people say about it, the sound isn't all that good and definitely not worth it. But as I said, I have no experience with it myself. Try googling it if your interested, that's where I found some reviews back when I was checking it out.

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