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OpenDocument Foundation To Drop ODF

poet sends us to Computerworld for a story on the intention of the OpenDocument Foundation to drop support for Open Document Format, OASIS and ISO standards not withstanding, in favor of the Compound Documents Format being promoted by the W3C. The foundation's director of business affairs, Sam Hiser, dropped this bomb in a blog posting a couple of weeks ago. Hiser believes CDF has a better shot at compatibility with Microsoft's OOXML, and says that the foundation has been disappointed with the direction of ODF over the last year.

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  1. Nope by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing has a chance at compatibility with OOXML except the bloated crap churned out by Word and its ilk.

    Driving to achieve closeness or compatibility with Microsoft formats, except as something kept at arms length, is essentially suicide.

    1. Re:Nope by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Driving to achieve closeness or compatibility with Microsoft formats, except as something kept at arms length, is essentially suicide.

      On the other hand, completely ignoring Microsoft formats isn't essentially suicide, it is suicide. Microsoft exists, and dominates the office application market, pretending it doesn't exist and that you can 'do your own thing' without taking it into account is utterly stupid.
  2. Re:So is ODF (the format) dead, then? by SargentDU · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, Sun and IBM, Wordperfect and others are still working with it. It is strange to me that the so called Open Document Foundation can do this as was pointed out in the article link, that it is a non-profit established to help with Open Document Format, that they would steer their organization to an opposite position to its namesake. I think all the officers should be kicked out and a realignment with their charter should be taken.

  3. Some elaboration by g2devi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, it's just three guys:
    http://opendocumentfoundation.us/we.htm
    Not much of a foundation.

    The *real* ODF group is:
    http://www.odfalliance.org/memberlist.php

    I think that the only honest thing the "The OpenDocument Foundation" can do is rename
    itself "The Compound Documents Format Foundation", since to do otherwise would be as
    deceitful as Microsoft choosing to name OOXML "Office Open XML". But honestly, I doubt
    they will. Their comparison chart between CDF and ODF betrays a few lies:
                http://opendocument.foundation.googlepages.com/GOSCON_Chart.pdf
    In particular:
    * CDF is not OOXML compatible, nor has any implementation shown this to be possible. ODF at least has a not-100% compatible conversion.
    * ODF has a lot more big vendor support than CDF
    * Neither are universal formats, but ODF is supported by more vendors and software projects at the moment.

    Personally, I think that the reasons for "The OpenDocument Foundation" changing it's
    support from ODF to CDF is self-interest. When ODF was first introduced, there was
    money to be made for a small company to write MS Office/Corel Office/Mac Office plugins
    and other conversion services. But then Sun and others started offering free converters
    and conversion services. There's just too much competition too quickly

    CDF, OTOH is not as well supported universally, so there's a lot more room for
    a small company. And if the CDF growth rate is slow, the "The OpenDocument Foundation"
    has the chance to become *the CDF conversion experts* and make a lot of money.
    Also, since CDF (if you believe their claims) is more web oriented, it would be good
    for transactional converters of many types that need to be used for each message.
    With ODF, you convert your document once and don't have to worry about going back
    (by purpose....ODF is best for documents that have to be read, as is 100 years
    from now). The difference in profit between one-time business and licensed per
    transaction business could huge, even if CDF has a smaller market.

  4. Re:questions by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, of course, since Esperanto is just as easily learned by people as ODF can be taught to computers...

    Universally spreading Esperanto requires an effort from a lot of governments around the world to promote it and teach it; universally implementing ODF requires some programmers, some coffee, and a couple of months, to code a filter that can be then reused in future versions or other applications.

    Don't confuse intent with possibility of realization.

    --
    My 0.02 cents
  5. Re:questions by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While that bit of logic is similar, Esperanto never had any country that actually used it. ODF does, in the OpenOffice and StarOffice suites of software. Thus, it never had a base of native users to support or to eveolve it.

    Next strawman?

  6. HEY SLASHDOT FIX THIS STORY'S WRITEUP by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As has been mentioned several times in the comment, the "Open Document Foundation" has no real connection to the Open Document Format, and the writeup reads like a MS-shill press release. So please fix it with an addendum so that casual readers of Slashdot don't take it at face value.

  7. Re:questions by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ODF won't be worth anymore than the proprietary format OOo used before it, if there isn't enough added-value that it's worth it for common people to spend the resources to convert.

    Well, that's pure bullshit.

    The primary value of ODF is that it reduces archival, retrieval, and distribution costs of our largest institutions. You know, the really big and long-lived ones, like nations, states, businesses that have celebrated their centennial year, and so on. We will start to see the benefits in about 10 years, in improved information services, and therefore lower taxes and cost of goods than would otherwise be the case.

    The direct costs to implement this are lower than any alternative. There are only two other strategies, and one variant of the ODF strategy, so let's do an exhaustive listing:

    1. Maintain the archives in their existing formats and keep software on hand, and hardware to run it, that can work with each format as needed. If you've never had the pleasure of working in a mixed environment of WordPerfect, WordStar, Word, Lotus, and Quattro files, then don't pretend you could imagine the costs of this approach. Talk to somebody with relevant experience. We've not all retired yet.
    2. Update every document in the archive to the latest and greatest format whenever the current market leader declares that its time for the world to upgrade to its latest product. Uh, hello??? The idea is to contain costs and improve services, not keep a company that's lost its way rolling in profits???
    3. (the ODF variant) Rather than adopt ODF (which has been in development for a few years, has a pretty good track record, and is extensible), let's all go with a format whose documentation is an order of magnitude more complicated, lacks critical detail, and will require everyone who uses the only software that will be sure to run it to pay an annual licensing fee?
    4. For completeness, here's the ODF approach one more time: Adopt ODF. Use existing FOSS to convert documents to ODF for archival purposes. If the documents don't convert properly, tell the author to rewrite them in good form, without the stupid bells and whistles. Use existing FOSS and slack time to convert old archived material to ODF for long term storage.

    The indirect costs of implementation are dependent on how effective Microsoft can be with its campaign of FUD, bribery, and astroturfing. They do not seem to be as good at this as they used to be— their notoriety now precedes them— but they are still a force to be reckoned with.

    Hey, you damn astroturfers, get your crap out of our meadow!