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The Uncertain Future of BitTorrent

javipas writes "The people behind the popular BitTorrent tracker are working on a new version of the BitTorrent protocol that could become the successor to the current one, maintained by BitTorrent Inc. The company founded by Bram Cohen — original author of this protocol — now has decided to close the source for several new features in the BitTorrent protocol, and this "gives them too much power and influence". The new file format would be called .p2p, and would maintain backwards compatibility with current .torrent files."

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  1. Letter to Pirate Bay re: new torrent protocol by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hey Pirate Bay folks, here's my list of feature requests for the new version of your open source torrent protocol:

    ONION ROUTING:
    1) Implement Onion routing (aka: Tor / anonymize the sources) as a built in feature.
    2) Onion Routing should, where possible, try to use exit points and middle points that have roughly the same amount of bandwidth as you, otherwise torrenting will not become a reality through Onion Routing. So some kind of peer bandwidth algorythm needs to be incorporated.
    3) Onion routing should be on by default, and each user should also become an exit point and donate 30% of their bandwidth to this. This will greatly increase the number of exit routers & provide this as a defacto alternative, as opposed to just some obscure security feature for the 31337 (hackers & government homeland types).
    4) Individual site upload ratios, should take into consideration that fact that you are an exit point and some portion of that 30% should be counted toward your uploaded bytes ratio (even if traffic is going to other sites)... in other words, help promote torrent security = get bonus points from private trackers.

    SIMPLIFY ISP SHAPING BYPASS
    Background: Forcing protocol encryption isn't enough these days; some ISPs are shaping or even blocking torrent traffic by methods such as sending TCP RST packets to close a session, or their infrastructure auto-analyzes your encrypted traffic patters and if they are high bandwidth, very encrypted and on for long amounts of time to the same destination you get flagged & shapped (regardless of the fact that you could indeed be doing something legal)

    1) There's a page on Wikipedia that lists all the "BAD ISPs" (http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs). This is a list of ISPs internationally that in one way or another shape your bitorrent traffic (Comcast anyone?). We need to be one step ahead of these ISPs and render their multi-million dollars worth of shaping infrastructure useless - sooner rather than later - sooner so that they can't make up for the ROI on all that gear they purchased. If the ROI fails, the next time engineering dept approach CEO for X dozens of millions more, they will get declined and we (torrent community) will win.

    2) This site breaks down "throttling" into 5 different categories or ways in which the ISP can throttle you... each listing the bypass method.
    http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Avoid_traffic_shaping#Escalation_of_the_crypto_settings
    Note that level 5 (the most aggressive shaping method known so far) is only bypassable by a single client today (Azeurus), utorrent to my understanding can not bypass this.

    Anyway my point with these above 2 items is that these facts need to be considered:
    1. The number of ISPs throttling internationally is already large and growing larger
    2. Your new torrent client needs to simplify bypassing these various levels of encryption so that it can be adopted by the masses. If it is not adopted by the masses (rendering ISP throttling useless), the ISPs will have won.

    I don't have time to type more, so please research what other clients out there (beyond just torrent) are doing and borrow ideas from them.
    Here's a brief list of intelligent encryption/anonymous software out there to investigate:
    RODI: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/01/1252232
    MUTE: http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/
    ANTS: http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/
    GNUnet: http://gnunet.org/
    I2P: http://www.i2p.net/
    FreeNet: http://freenetproject.org/
    TOR: http://tor.eff.org/

    THanks and good luck!

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  2. Re:Oh well, by smilindog2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the protocol is open-sourced, I don't care if he writes a closed-source implementation. However, the current protocol that they claim to be writing isn't published on the wiki. They're keeping it a secret... so, screw BitTorrent.

    I vote that we write one of our own. I've written a BitTorrent client before, and have written a protocol extension. I'm just beginning to ponder a completely new protocol. Any interest?

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  3. Re:Oh well, by computational+super · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Good luck close-sourcing Python code, anyway... reverse-engineering .pyc is beyond trivial. If there's anything really useful in there, it will be reverse-engineered and mysteriously make its way back into the BitTorrent OSS fork, anyway.

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