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New Catalyst May Be a Boost For Fuel Cells

Roland Piquepaille writes "Researchers at the University of Houston (UH) have developed a new platinum-based catalyst for fuel cells that is at least four times more efficient and cheaper than existing catalysts. This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline. According to the researchers, the active phase of the catalyst consists of nanoparticles with a platinum-rich shell and a core made of an alloy of copper, cobalt, and platinum. But it's not enough for this new catalyst to be more efficient and cheaper than a pure platinum one. It also needs to work for a long time — say, the life of a car. So far, the preliminary results look promising, but longer-term testing is needed before this kind of fuel cells can be used to power your car."

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  1. Re:OK, I've gotta ask by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gotta be the name. Platinum credit cards, platinum blondes, platinum membership....

  2. enough with the fuel cell by SolusSD · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This technology has been 15 to 20 years off for the past 10 years. Improvements in battery technology are here, and cost would come down (much more quickly than fuel cells) if more companies jumped on the electric car bandwagon. We need more companies like this: www.teslamotors.com

    1. Re:enough with the fuel cell by evanbd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For now, it's batteries. But in the not too distant future, it may well be supercapacitors. Supercapacitors now are about a factor of ten away from lithium-ion batteries; improvements that are currently in labs appear to be able to remove most or all of that gap. Right now supercapacitors are expensive, but once the market starts growing they should come down in price. There are relatively fundamental limits to how much better traditional batteries can get in terms of capacity, but the apparent limits on supercapacitors are phenomenal. It might be 10 years before they see serious use, but I imagine small-scale use will be here sooner than that, especially if the rumors are to be believed.

      Fuel cells are interesting, but I think that direct electrical storage through batteries and later supercapacitors is more likely to actually work out.

    2. Re:enough with the fuel cell by 2ms · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps you aren't aware that the first production fuel cell vehicle is going to be available to the public this coming January? Yes, diesels are the most efficient method right now and more people should be driving them. But this fuel cell Equinox is extremely impressive. Has the interior room of a normal small SUV, and of course the zero emmissions etc.

      Also, the Tesla car is hardly anything remarkable. It costs $100,000 and is basically just a Lotus Elise/Opel Speedster with an electric drive-train retrofit. They're more like very expensive kit cars than a ture production EV. Oh, and you do know where electricity comes from, right? It mostly comes from burning coal -- much worse emissions than a modern automotive IC engine.

      I agree that EVs are the ultimate future, but we need more nuclear powerplants and/or hydrogen fuel cells for them to truly be better for the environment.

    3. Re:enough with the fuel cell by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have fun trying to get hydrogen to fuel your "production fuel cell car." I, on the other hand, am going to take my 2008 Tesla Roadster (already have my production number) that I can charge anywhere and enjoy my low emission driving (in northern Illinois, all power provided is generated at nuclear power plants via ComEd). And yes, nuclear power is cleaner than coal generation. Google for it.

    4. Re:enough with the fuel cell by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the problem of a person cutting a 700K volt transmission line in the middle of nowhere is self-solving.

    5. Re:enough with the fuel cell by hardburn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Show me a fuel cell that can break 50% efficiency when you include the electrolysis process. Lithium cells are already well over 90%. "Making power" means being over 100% efficient.

      A fuel cell is just a fancy battery, and not a particularly good one.

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    6. Re:enough with the fuel cell by Snorpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you sure that, per kWH, a modern IC automotive engine is cleaner than a modern coal-fired plant?

    7. Re:enough with the fuel cell by loshwomp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Disclaimer: IAAEVE. (I am an electric vehicle engineer.)

      Fuel cells for the electricity will be even better.

      Fuel cells will make sense the day we have so much renewable or other "clean" energy that we can afford to throw 80% of it away on the hopelessly inefficient Water electrolysis->Hydrogen->Fuel Cell cycle. Right now qualified renewables in the USA are some fraction of 1%. When do you anticipate we'll hit the 500% mark so that 4/5ths of it can be discarded to make hydrogen?

      On the other hand, battery energy density is doubling every 8-10 years, meaning that battery EVs will have a 600-1000 km range within 2 decades -- enough driving for one day, even for the most car-addicted nation on the planet. Battery costs will benefit tremendously from economies of scale, but platinum (for your fuel cells) is not exactly going to get cheaper in quantity.

  3. Summary by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I extracted 4 key words from TFA : ...may...may...promising...testing.

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  4. Re:OK, I've gotta ask by Fysiks+Wurks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because it's expensive! You get what you pay for.

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  5. Re:OK, I've gotta ask by fizzup · · Score: 5, Informative

    Platinum is good at binding gas molecules to its surface (adsorbing them), which changes the nature of their electron clouds. This helps overcome the the van der Waals forces that hold them together or apart, making them more likely to react.

    Nobody knows for certain just why platinum is good at adsorbing gas molecules to its surface.

  6. Re:Who's car? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative
    And, most notably, because fuel cells run on hydrogen, and you can't buy that at a gas station. Hydrogen is very difficult to store, because it has very low density and a high leak rate in most tanks.

    In fact, fuel cells can run on other materials, e.g., methane, but this is typically done by the simple trick of using a reformer to produce hydrogen from the methane, and running that hydrogen in a fuel cell. And this can be difficult if the source of the methane is less than extremely pure; in that a lot of common impurities can poison either the catalyst or the reformer.

    So, without a good means of storing hydrogen, it's not at all clear that advances in fuel cell technology are terribly useful.

    Still, gotta start somewhere...

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  7. Probably a better method... by Pedrito · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some researchers at Purdue came up with a technique back in May that's probably better than this. It uses a Gallium/Aluminum alloy. Aluminum, when exposed to water, produces hydrogen and aluminum oxide. Normally aluminum produces an aluminum oxide layer immediately on any exposed surface, preventing further reaction. This alloy doesn't have that problem. It's unclear precisely how much platinum they require for this process from the news release, but Platinum is far more expensive than either Aluminum or Gallium. Another advantage is that the Gallium is unaffected and can be reused, while the aluminum oxide can readily be converted back to pure aluminum through Fused Salt Electrolysis. The cost of aluminum would make the cost of using this more than the equivalent of the current ~$3/gallon of gas. If there were enough demand and, using the recycling method, the cost of aluminum could be brought down to make it cheaper than the current cost of gas, however. Of course, electricity for the electrolysis has its own environmental impact...

  8. Hydrogen is everywhere by benhocking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can get hydrogen from water, for example. It does require energy to extract that hydrogen, but you can use nuclear, wind, or solar power to perform that extraction. The reality is that oil is very unlikely to factor in to producing hydrogen. Unfortunately, coal is the most likely means for producing the requisite energy. For those whose only goal is to liberate us from dependence on Mid-East oil, it's a win. For those of us who care about the environment, it depends on what the energy source is, and is very likely a loss.

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  9. Stupidest comment in years by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which really means it will go up as people get forced out of the rampant consumerism lifestyle.
    If you really believe that crap, I'm sure there's a Vietnamese peasant somewhere who would gladly trade for your current situation.
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  10. Re:OK, I've gotta ask by Kouroth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Maybe its sticky?

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  11. RTFA: They crossed that $ threshold by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if this is a proven method, there's also a cost obstacle to overcome here.

    The point of the article is that
      - the previous Platinum-based catalyst was about 6 times too expensive to be practical for an automotive application, while
      - this one is more than a factor of 6 cheaper, putting it in the running.

    In other words they've crossed the affrordability threshold.

    If the lifetime testing works out, no roadblocks show up, and something better doesn't come along and obsolete it before it gets deployed, expect this one to actually show up in cars.

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  12. Original Journal Articles by westcoaster004 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The original journal articles for those interested in more than a press release:

    Efficient Oxygen Reduction Fuel Cell Electrocatalysis on Voltammetrically Dealloyed Pt-Cu-Co Nanoparticles (Strasser et al., Angewandte Chemie International Edition)
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/anie.200703331

    Electrocatalysis on Bimetallic Surfaces: Modifying Catalytic Reactivity for Oxygen Reduction by Voltammetric Surface Dealloying (Koh & Strasser)
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja0742784

    To fully answer that question would take a whole course on organometallic chemistry to explain, but it has to do with the d-electron configuration of the platinum, (d8), which results in organometallic compounds which can be either square planar or octahedral. The ability to switch between these structures (and related oxidation states) allows for transitions and bonding between the states which allows for the creation of intermediates necessary for catalytic reactions. Bulk platinum (i.e. as a heterogeneous catalyst) also has d-electrons available at the metal surface which can form bonding and anti-bonding ( = bond breaking) bonds with small molecules. Essentially when it is reacting with, say, hydrogen gas, the H2 adsorbs onto the surface and, each atom forming a bond with one Pt atom's d-orbital.

    A good book might be Heterogeneous Catalysts for the Synthetic Chemist (Google Book Search)

  13. Re:Who's car? by magisterx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, but going back to economics, the more effective and thus desirable the fuel cells are, the more incentive there is to do research on storing hydrogen.

  14. Seriously, enough is enough by TheAxeMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They suck for cars. Period. More efficient than gas, sure. But:
     
    1. Requires a complete infrastructure rework, just like electric would.
    2. Still lower efficiency.
    3. Harder to implement in a vehicle, requiring much more exotic material for efficient energy storage vs. battery tech we already have.
     
    I just want an electric car. Ok, actually, I want an affordable (sub-40k) Tesla Roadster-style car, but with four seats and a trunk.

  15. Gasoline Fuel Cells by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The breakthrough in fuel cells will come when they can deliver 50% or better efficiency from gasoline. Then the dinosaur egg will finally have hatched a chicken, which can then lay a chicken egg: other fuels that fuel cells, and their dependent motors/transmissions/etc, can use. That is a much more likely transition scenario than getting the fuels first, or switching to fuel cells and their fuels simultaneously.

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  16. Bah by tsotha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline.

    I don't see how this will do anything to ease the reliance on gasoline. A fuel cell isn't a power source per se - the power still comes from whatever you're feeding it. Whatever you're using as a fuel still requires a power input. This won't do a damn thing for energy independence unless it's coupled with a massive nuclear power plant construction program. And don't go on about wind and solar - even maxed out they barely make a dent.

    When that nuclear program finally starts, it's gonna be another decade, at least, before we see any benefit. So assuming they get whatever kinks they have out of the process today, and assuming auto manufacturers rush headlong into production (five year delay), and assuming ignorant opposition ot nuclear power can be overcome in those five years, the earliest this will have any displacement effect on oil is fifteen years from now.

    Which, in all practicality, means we'll all be dead before any of this happens.

    1. Re:Bah by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This discovery in fuel cell research may ease reliance on gasoline.

      I don't see how this will do anything to ease the reliance on gasoline. A fuel cell isn't a power source per se - the power still comes from whatever you're feeding it. Whatever you're using as a fuel still requires a power input. This won't do a damn thing for energy independence unless it's coupled with a massive nuclear power plant construction program.

      How about a coal power plant program? I mean, I realize your agenda is clearly "clean power", but you've slipped into another sometimes-overlapping agenda (really the "foreign oil dependence" one), and this really would make a change in that one. I think you'll find that if you can surpress the need to sound off on your personal set of agendas, you might find yourself able to better engage in thoughtful sociopolitical discourse.
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    2. Re:Bah by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the catalyst is useful in a gasoline -> reformer -> hydrogen -> fuel cell -> electricity -> electric motor -> power to the wheel system, and that system is more efficient than a gasoline IC engine, it eases the reliance on gasoline. Q.E.D..

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    3. Re:Bah by at_18 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And don't go on about wind and solar - even maxed out they barely make a dent.

      The available solar energy on Earth more than 5,000 times the total amount of energy used by all mankind. It's a pretty big dent. Oh, and wind energy is "only" 200 times.

  17. Re:OK, I've gotta ask by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2, Informative

    In addition to what's already been said, platinum is very resistant to being corroded even under very nasty conditions. Thus, it doesn't get used up in the process in which it's taking part.

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  18. Kanzius Radio Wave Immitates Platinum by cakilmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The cheapest way to extract hydrogen from water, imho, will be to use John Kanzius radio wave machine which--judging by related patents-- immitates the resonance of platinum so as to act as an artificial catalyst.