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Monkeys and Cognitive Dissonance

Hugh Pickens writes "People deal with cognitive dissonance — the clashing of conflicting thoughts — by eliminating one of the thoughts. Psychologists have suggested we hone our skills of rationalization in order to impress others, reaffirm our "moral integrity" and protect our "self-concept" and feeling of "global self-worth." Now experimenters at Yale have demonstrated that other primates employ the same psychological mechanism. In one experiment, a monkey was observed to show an equal preference for three colors of M&M's and was given a choice between two of them. If he chose red over blue, his preference changed and he downgraded blue. When he was subsequently given a choice between blue and green, it was no longer an even contest — he was now much more likely to reject the blue. Rationalization is thought to have an evolutionary utility; once a decision has been made, second-guessing may just interfere with more important business. "We tend to think people have an explicit agenda to rewrite history to make themselves look right, but that's an outsider's perspective. This experiment shows that there isn't always much conscious thought going on," said one researcher."

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  1. I'm no behavioral researcher... by phoebusQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but frankly, I think these are some pretty heavy conclusions to draw from the discussed studies.

    1. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Funny

      You only say that because you said it last time.

    2. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 3, Funny

      I agree with you, while the numerous studies have shown cognitive dissonance in humans - if all they have to prove it in monkeys is that study then they are not on solid ground. Having said that I do think that its highly likely that monkeys do use this process, simply because they share a lot of other behaviours with us as well.

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    3. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...but frankly, I think these are some pretty heavy conclusions to draw from the discussed studies.

      Yeah. I wish the monkey could tell them, 'You know what? Did it ever occur to you I just don't like blue fucking M&M's? They're just unnatural.'

    4. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by Bl4ckJ3sus · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would think that being a monkey and getting to eat M&M's all day would be reward enough.

    5. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by harves · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, if you read the summary, it explains that the second-half of the experiment involved a choice between blue or *green* M&Ms. You're right that the monkey has proven "red is safe" because it safely ate them. The monkey does not have any evidence that "blue is unsafe" at all, but when presented with a choice of blue or green, it consistently chose green. Why did it do that?

      The theory is that the monkey eliminated "blue" as a possibility in the first half of the experiment, and so continued to eliminate it in the second half. This is despite the fact that the monkey has obtained *no* information on blue or green M&Ms at that point. Green could be utterly lethal, while blue was always safe. Simple evolution is not the reason the monkey kept choosing "not blue".

    6. Re:I'm no behavioral researcher... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see this all the time in the world.

      People make an arbitrary decision. And then they just stick with it.

      It's very hard to overcome their position with facts because it is not a logical decision. It is usually better to argue with the emotionally. If you can shift their emotions, they are more likely to shift their position.

      With facts they
      1) Request more facts
      2) Request impossible to gather amount of facts
      3) Keep forgetting or misunderstanding facts they do not "like"
      4) Discount facts (you have a total sales they dislike, they question the entire methodology for calculating the total).

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  2. The High Road by explosivejared · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think we should all take the high road and not take a swing at the underhanded pitch thrown to us here. Bush administration references are just too easy. Save yourself the time and just laugh preemptively.

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    1. Re:The High Road by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bush administration references are just too easy.

      Indeed. I don't know whether this is a conscience effort or subconscious. Take a gander at the catch-phrases in it:

      * monkey
      * cognitive dissonance
      * the clashing of conflicting thoughts -- by eliminating one of the thoughts.
      * skills of rationalization in order to impress others
      * protect our "self-concept"
      * much more likely to reject the blue [as in "blue States"]
      * rationalization
      * once a decision has been made, second-guessing may just interfere
      * rewrite history to make themselves look right
      And the clincher:
      * isn't always much conscious thought going on

  3. M&Ms by robvangelder · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry, but Blue M&Ms taste disgusting. Even a monkey knows that.

  4. Color vision... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a vision scientist, I have to ask if they controlled for trichromacy vs. dichromacy? In other words, like humans, some monkeys do not see the three colors that most humans do...

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    1. Re:Color vision... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, these are psychologists, not real scientists.

    2. Re:Color vision... by jpfed · · Score: 4, Informative

      I haven't worked in the vision lab for a few months (and I did only work with humans), so maybe I'm getting rusty :) but I thought that it would be easy for even a dichromat to distinguish between red and blue? I mean, what single cone, if disabled, would produce a difficulty in distinguishing red from blue?

      Did you mean maybe that these monkeys diverged from humans' evolutionary branch before the red and green cones differentiated from the older, yellow cone? If that were the case, they still should have no trouble distinguishing red from blue.

    3. Re:Color vision... by WAG24601G · · Score: 5, Informative
      The irony of your reply is that a lot of the early work in animal color perception was done by psychologists. Operant conditioning experiments (with discriminative stimuli) reveal which colors an animal subject can effectively distinguish.

      Mods - if you must agree with the parent, rank it "Funny" or at least "Insightful"... but there is nothing informative about it.

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  5. Unconvinced by SpaceAmoeba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not so sure this is the same thing as what humans experience as cognitive dissonance, or it may only be a subset of the phenomenon. When people are employing cognitive dissonance there is actual work going on - they are not just making the same choice again, but rationalizing why that choice is the correct one and in the process deciding for it again. They are willful and not just sticking to a rut.

  6. I defer to the late Mr Heinlein.... by 3ryon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Man is not a rational animal. He's a rationalizing animal."

    - Robert A. Heinlein

  7. In other words we get use to what we prefer by syousef · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's called reenforcement. Like Pavlov's dog salivating.

    The blue M&M was not preferred. The monkey felt bad about being given what it didn't prefer. This bad feeling became associated with the blue M&M and the monkey therefore preferred any other colour.

    Reminds me of what happens when I've bought bad buggy software. After a while even if there are improvements, if you've been disappionted enough you'd rather use any other piece of software that does the same job.

    In other words, for some slashdotters, Windows is the blue M&M.

    What exactly is new here?

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  8. My research on Slashdot backs this up... by mattgreen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This site is an excellent example of how people don't deal with cognitive dissonance very well. All you need to do is look at articles that paint popular companies in a slightly bad light. Rather than try to reconcile the fact that something they like did something they don't like, they just try to rationalize it away. There's always someone that leaps to the front with a carefully constructed, big-ass explanation of why this issue is overblown, or it isn't an issue at all. It is almost like they're on the payroll for said companies. In more extreme cases, the apologist may be forced to concede that the act was bad, but they can always backpedal and say, "well, at least they aren't murdering puppies all the time like this other company!" Ah, nothing like capitalizing on the popularity of moral relativism to make weak arguments.

  9. Cruelty, animal torture! by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    How can they ethically give M&Ms to an animal? Depraved scientists, inflicting harm just for the fun of it.

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  10. Good Question, but... by Ieshan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that I am in any way supporting or rejecting the claims made in the study, but your criticism is probably unfounded**.

    The M&M (and sticker choices) were different across subjects, so it is unlikely that a systematic bias could result from visual perception of the items. The M&M choices chosen for the subjects were determined by relatively equal preference in a pretraining phase of the experiment. Given the fact that they find an effect, it's unlikely that it's due to an inability to tell the items apart.

    Specifically:
    We first assessed the monkeys' existing preferences for M&M's of different colors by timing how long they took to retrieve individual M&M's. For each monkey, preferences for at least nine different M&M colors were assessed. As each preference test began, the monkey was inside its home cage, just outside a testing chamber, and was allowed to watch as the experimenter placed one colored M&M on a tray outside the other side of the chamber. The door to the testing chamber was opened, and the monkey was allowed to enter when it wished to retrieve the M&M. We measured how quickly the monkey entered the testing chamber to retrieve the M&M. Preferences for each color were assessed across 20 trials per monkey; trials for each color spanned two experimental sessions.

    After preference testing, we performed analyses of variance to determine whether each monkey had statistically significant preferences. We identified triads of equally preferred colors (all ps > .05), and designated the items within each triad as choices A, B, and C (choices were specific to each individual monkey); although there were no significant differences in preferences across the three M&M colors within a triad, we conservatively used each subject's least preferred color of the three (i.e., the one the monkey took longest to obtain during preference testing) as option C.

    **By the way, I've been reading your slashdot comments for quite some time, and so don't take this as a personal affront or anything. =) I think you're probably one of the better scientist/posters on the site. =)

  11. First paragraph of article. by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny as hell, and it shows the author is an idiot. If you chose the yellow car that had bad gas mileage over the blue "sensible" car, than you probably weren't rating gas mileage as an important consideration. Your were probably considering the options/engine displacement as being higher on your objectives list. Different people have different preferences, which is why someone else would rate high gas mileage as more important. Now, if the cars were the exact same except for color and gas milage, than you could be said to have a sub-optimal intellect. Or neon yellow could be you favorite color and you could find blue dreadfully dull. Again, the example given has nothing to do with the study, or rather shouldn't if the study measures what it claims, which I doubt.

  12. TFA says by j_w_d · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Initially the monkey did not have a preference. After being forced to decide between two of the three colours, once more allowed free choice, it exhibited biased behaviour. There was evidence. The change was apparently due to the coerced choice between two equipotentials. People would rationalize this later, trying to explain why "blue" wasn't as good. I would guess that a pretty interesting case could be made that the ability to break such ties is an evolutionary advantage. At base, tie breaking could be critical to survival. Imagine. The predator is behind you. Ahead the path forks. You know equally good ways of escaping the predator are available down each path. But if you stop to try and work out which is best, the predator will eat you while you hesitate. Afterward, because you survived the chase going down one path rather than the other, you will prefer that path. There's a lot of reinforcement for that preference, even if none of it is logical.

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  13. not-good(x) = good(not-x) ? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, this is oddly similar to a strange error in modal reasoning I've been noticing a lot in my philosophical work.

    Take a mathematical function "f". It's obvious to all of us that -f(x) does not mean the same thing as f(-x). With modal logical operators such as the "necessity" or "obligation" operators, this holds as well: "it is necessary that not-x" means "it is impossible that x", but "it is not necessary that x" means "it is possible that not-x"; and "it is obligatory that not-x" means "it is prohibited that x", but "it is not obligatory that x" means "it is permissible that x".

    However, when it comes to assertions of straightforward truth and goodness, as opposed to the stronger notions of necessity and obligation, people suddenly lose the ability to think in such modal categories, if they ever had it at all. With necessity and obligation, we have four categories each: f(x), -f(x), f(-x), and -f(-x); those translating to necessity/contingency/impossibility/possibility and obligation/supererogatoriety/prohibition/permission, respectively. But when we speak of truth and goodness, these categories collapse: it -f(x), i.e. it's not true that x , we say f(-x), i.e. it's true that not x; and likewise with not-good being taken to mean good-not.

    But that doesn't follow. While in the proper modal logics f(-x) does entail -f(x), the other way around is not so. It seems to me that we should use the same logic when speaking of straightforward truth and goodness too; just being non-true does not make something false (it could be nonsense or otherwise carry no truth value), even though being false makes something non-true; and just being non-good does not make something bad (it could be morally irrelevant), even though being bad makes something non-good. But most people don't seem to think in those terms; everything is either true or false, good or bad, no middle ground. (And before someone screams "principle of bivalence", note that using modal notation like this, you can express such concepts while keeping bivalent functionality in your logic).

    Which brings us back on topic. The monkeys in this experiment were given the choice of red and blue and, choosing red but not-choosing blue (i.e. judging good(red) and not-good(blue)), in the same act chose not-blue (taking not-good(blue) to entail good(not-blue)), when they didn't logically have to to so. So later, presented with blue and green, they remained consistant with their earlier opinion that good(not-blue), when if they had been logical earlier they would have just seen a color they had not-chosen and another color they had not-chosen, rather than a color they had not-chosen and a color they had chosen-not.

    I guess this kind of flaw runs pretty deep in the psyche, which explains why it pops up in human reasoning so often...

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