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EFF Documentation Victory in Telco Spying Case
Krishna Dagli sent on a link to Ars Technica's coverage of an EFF victory in a court case related to the NSA/Telco spying scandal. "Judge Vaughn Walker ruled today that AT&T, Verizon, Cingular (now part of AT&T), Sprint, and BellSouth (also part of AT&T now) must all maintain any data or papers related to the NSA spying case that Walker is overseeing in California. The EFF had requested the ruling out of concern that documents would be destroyed as part of routine data deletion practices before the case could even progress to discovery."
Granted, the EFF is a group of lawyers, but they are lawyers working for a better Internet. Sometimes they make me just want to cry. Hopefully this is just the beginning. The NSA has gone way beyond breaking the law. The ease at which they put people under surveilance and on watchlists flies in the face of the constitutional ban on unreasonable searches and bills of attainder. This is great news.
I got a catholic block.
I hope the rest of you have called your Congressmen.
I called their offices several times, but every time I started talking about this immunity stuff, they kept hanging up on me, the bastards!
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
...they will go on to lose the case itself. Too bad.
all time low since the war
Let us know when they manage to make it better than it was before the war started.
From yesterday:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110700006.html?sub=AR
Convenient (for telcos) how they're required by law to retain personal data on people which they exploit for profit, but routinely delete evidence of telco crimes.
"These days it's all secrecy, and no privacy." - The Rolling Stones, "Fingerprint File"
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Last time I checked
You checked? I call bullshit.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
Wow, after 5 years and almost a Trillion pissed away into the sand, things are improving slightly! Yeah, take that terrorists! Fuck with the big bad USA and 5 years later we might actually get something done! I feel for those who were already in when this idiotic aggressive invasion took place. Those who enlisted after? Tough shit on them for supporting an evil agenda and being too stupid to realize that they were being lied to. We shoulda cleaned up in Afghanistan, gone home and secured our borders, and stayed vigilant. Pre-emptive strikes are bad precedent.
No declaration of war was made, no conscription, no rationing, no sacrifices made except to our rights and liberty. If this 'terrorist threat' was as serious as the government and their military cheerleaders say it is, why isn't there conscription? Why don't we have the 1/2 Million men in Iraq that military guidelines stated was needed to succeed there? Why doesn't our dear leader require Americans to ration gasoline and food so we can afford to properly equip those soldiers? The whole idea of invading Iraq was stupid because it wasn't involved, and then to top it all off, they went in with no plan.
Because this conflict was not to secure America, but to enrich the already-rich Americans with connections to politics. I'm sorry over 4k soldiers have wasted their lives for this crock of shit, but hey, they did volunteer knowing that even if a nut-job was elected that they would have to follow orders.
Sorry if that puts some hurt on your sacred cows, but reality often does that.
Blar.
Here's a longer NPR part than the article
This whole thing just reeks of sketchiness. If congress wanted to show some actually fortitude, they should knock the immunity out, even if there is a veto by the President.
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Maybe you should check the news about our failures more often.
I think we've been here before. Once bitten twice shy and all that.
Indeed, this press release, for example is *very* encouraging:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030501-15.html
I'm sure glad its almost over... again.
Judges generally grant motions related to discovery to be on the safe side, to limit chances of appeal later. Only the most unreasonable discovery requests are likely to be refused.
The EFF have to find something in that discovery to win their action, and that is the uphill battle....
Donte Alistair Anderson Roberts - hi son!
Karma: Chameleon
You know, those guys signed up to be called on when a disaster hits their home state. You know, like those tornadoes and hurricanes that hit and we have no resources for now.
Given that Iraq has at least 100,000 deaths (that's according to the U.S. Army, other sources estimate 250,000 and more) due to homicide and war since 2003, that's four years and on average 25,000 each year. The death poll of Saddam Hussein's rule is put at 300,000 for the whole of more than 30 years, which results in 10,000 per year. Basicly the death rate has more than doubled since the starting of the Iraq war.
And of those deaths, the vast majority, in excess of 90%, were caused by...
wait for it....
OTHER IRAQIS!!! Not US servicemen.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
AT&T gave feds access to all Web, phone traffic, ex-tech says
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004001159_spying08.html
he alleged that the NSA set up a system that vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the help of AT&T and without obtaining a court order.
NSA built a special room in San Francisco to receive data streamed through an AT&T Internet room containing "peering links," or major connections to other telecom providers. Other so-called secret rooms reportedly were constructed at AT&T sites in Seattle, Los Angeles, San Diego and San Jose, Calif
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