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Russia to Build New Spacecraft by 2020

Tech.Luver passed us the word that Russia is now working on a new generation of spacecraft, presumably to help fuel its renewed space exploration ambitions. The Space-based industry is still one of the few areas in which Russia is intentionally competitive, and they intend to exploit that in the coming years. Even still, the new technologies are not expected to see use until 2020. ""A tender to design a new booster and spaceship has been announced," Itar-Tass news agency quoted Roskosmos chief Anatoly Perminov as saying ... Perminov did not give further details of the tender, but said TsSKB-Progress from the Volga city of Samara is likely to bid with its Soyuz-3 design of spacecraft, as well as Moscow's Khrunichev centre with Angara 3P and Angara 5P. The United States beat the Soviet Union in developing multiple-use Space Shuttle rockets, which form its current fleet of manned spacecraft. Russian space officials have said single-use spacecraft like the Soyuz-TM currently used are cheaper and more practical."

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  1. Space Shuttle by cd-w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The United States beat the Soviet Union in developing multiple-use Space Shuttle rockets, which form its current fleet of manned spacecraft.

    ... and we now know what a big mistake that was:
    • Limited to low-earth orbit.
    • Vulnerable to damage on launch.
    • Over-complex tile-based heat shield.
    • Very expensive to launch.
    • No launch escape system.
    • Not actually very reusable at all.
  2. Practical Space Access by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they want to be practical about getting to space, the old X-15 program had it down pat. Three vehicles, 200 flights in less than 10 years. One fatal crash. You launched the thing from a plane or a balloon. No waste, no fuss. And because you're not constantly throwing something the size of a young apartment building into orbit, a single accident doesn't effectively knock you out of space for years. It couldn't carry much more than the pilot, but only an idiot would doubt that by the third generation (the original RFP's went out in the mid-50's) it would have carried a reasonable payload.

    I think it all started to go wrong for NASA when politicians were allowed to their poke their long, ratlike noses into the business of scientists and engineers. If not for the damned shuttle program, there'd be a crew drinking beer on Mars by now.

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    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  3. The Space Race is a Rich Nation's Game by reporter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Russia is not yet a wealthy developed nation. According to the CIA World Factbook, the Russian GDP per capita is $12,200. By contrast, the Polish GDP per capita is $14,400, and the Poles are not investing in a wasteful space race.

    The Russians need to stay focused on modernizing their economy and political system. Russia still has considerable poverty, and the money wasted on the space race would be better spent on welfare programs and the education system. At the same stage of development, the Japanese did not waste money on either a space race or a massive weapons program.

    Unfortunately, the Russians have become obsessed with nationalism since Vladimir Putin came to power. Big, impressive national projects have become more important than simply improving the quality of life for the poorest segments of the population.

    The Russians have a lot to learn from the Poles. The latter are not wasting money on either a space race or a massive weapons program.

    The most important lesson that the Russians can learn from the West is that the greatness of a nation is not measured by the size of the weaponry or the speed of the space ship. Rather, the greatness is measured by the quality of life for the average person.

    The Soviet Union had awesome weapons and space vehicles, yet was the Soviet Union a great nation?

    1. Re:The Space Race is a Rich Nation's Game by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do realize that Russian space program is mostly self-financing in the first place? You know, people pay money to launch commercial satellites.

      Besides, Russian economy is much bigger than Polish - so $10000000 for space program take less than $1 from each citizen.

      GDP per capita is very misleading: Luxembourg currently leads with $81511 (against measly $43223 in USA). So should USA just stop all scientific programs and channel all money to welfare?

  4. beat Soviets as well in wasting money by xristo70 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The United States beat the Soviet Union in developing multiple-use Space Shuttle rockets, which form its current fleet of manned spacecraft."

    The United States (together with Europe) have also beaten the Soviet Union in wasting countless billion of dollars on an International Space Station of very limited research value. Basically they just trying to try to stay alive up there and do 30 minutes of research projects per day. The Shuttle is currently also just a pork-barrel project. Those funds need to be spent in different ways (such as next generation planetary rovers).

    The Russians have managed to keep their total costs for development and launches lower over the decades, by having at least some sort of "mass production" economies of scale.
    Their MIR space station managed to get along for years against increadible odds, for a fraction of NASA money.
    The Russians have very good and practical aerospace engineers. This illustrates the difference nicely: during the space race NASA spent money and effort in developing a pen which could work in weightlessness. The russian astronauts instead of pens used pencils in space.

  5. Revisionists unleashed! by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The shuttle was nothing but an attempt to appease the moronic treehuggers

    Another attempt to blame a bunch of rare and disorganised hippies with no political power at all at the time for some dubious political decisions mostly about spreading the pork. The shuttle design is most likely a lot older than the poster and "moronic treehuggers" don't even have the political clout to get Kyoto signed now let alone sabotage a space program decades ago.